Internet Explorer 8

Artigo
12/05/2007

Just as he was the first to talk about IE7, Bill Gates kept the tradition alive and discussed IE8 at the Mix ‘n Mash event here on campus yesterday. Bill was talking to some bloggers about IE.Next and called it IE8, the same way we do here in the IE team hallway.

So, yes, the version after IE7 is IE8. We looked at a lot of options for the product name. Among the names we considered and ruled out:

IE 7+1
IE VIII
IE 1000 (think binary)
IE Eight!
iIE
IE for Web 2.0 (Service Pack 2)
IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet (the marketing team really pushed for this one ;-)
Ie^2.079 (we might still use this for the Math Major Edition)

Of course, some people care about other aspects of IE8 much more than they care about the name. As I’ve walked different people through the plan, I’ve gotten “Does it have feature X?” “When is the beta?” “When does it release” and even the more thoughtful “What are you trying to accomplish with this release?”

You will hear a lot more from us soon on this blog and in other places. In the meantime, please don’t mistake silence for inaction.

Dean Hachamovitch
General Manager

Comments

Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Not funny, really.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
It NEEDS to be IE 1000! Go for it!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Superb. Its good to hear something!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Who cares about the name? Unless you want to confuse people again, just stick to IE8... Hope it is more stable, faster and enables js debugging (until there is some built-in decent solution - read not VS -) FF/firebug will stay th only good options for developers. Hope it does not beak the IE Developer toolbar...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Dean, you missed the obvious IE 2^3 otherwise brilliant.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
In the pattern of some Linux versions and OSS otherwise, not to mention NN6, maybe IE9 would be fitting. :)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
This remains me a post about the difference between google and microsoft products, this name: IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet is a Microsoft like name, and off course I hate it ..jeje Just like this post: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-11-20-n35.html Anyway, I just want to be standard
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I'm begging you, please make this thing support clean CSS.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
How about IE Infinite or Unlimited? (If we flip number 8, it looks like infinity sign)
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
"IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet" - you know, I wouldn't really be all that surprised. Would it come in N and K editions too?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Two quick notes that I wanted to get out there. IE8.  Yep, it officially has a name now.  Check
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Well...everybody knew that. What about the features it will carry? MS said they'll try to work with the community and get more feedback, but as far as I can see, it was just marketing speak...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Two quick notes that I wanted to get out there. IE8.  Yep, it officially has a name now.  Check
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Maybe you should name it: "IE: The way it should have been" AT LEAST IF IT FOLLOWS THE WEB STANDARDS. If not, IE8 will do just fine.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Wow, that was poorly calculated. For months, interested parties (including former colleagues) have begged and pleaded Microsoft for information about IE8. Now, with everyone's attention and an opportunity to impress the web development community with substance, this blog instead opens with a substance-free post about product's upcoming name. Did I miss the joke, or was the joke on me?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Dean, over at the IEBlog introduces the world to the name of the next IE release, "Internet Explorer 8" and not much else. He closes with "please don’t mistake silence for inaction." I don't think people were mistaking silence for inaction, Dean, and
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I would really love to see a new JS Engine. The performance of the current one is just xxxxxxxxx ... So please please!!!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
SVG ! SVG ! please dear IE people, please include support for SVG ?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
The 'softies were silent for years about Internet Explorer 7, and that silence did mean inaction. Has anything changed?
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
You are on the right track. IE7 has several good things. I use IE7, FF nd Opera. Flock is a hobby
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
"In the meantime, please don’t mistake silence for inaction." Too late... while MS might not be keen to adapt to the culture of the web, the internet as a whole generally values openness, transparency and communication. For such an important tool that holds huge influence on the web, the pain caused to web developers and users alike by the MS's silence is magnified.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
CSS 2.1 compliance is the big one for me. I am a new web designer only around for a few years and I am just amazed at how difficult IE makes the process of designing with CSS. How can it be that the biggest web company has the worst support for standards. It just boggles the mind!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Digg this: http://digg.com/microsoft/Internet_Explorer_8_3
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
A suggestion for IE8: put your efforts into making Trident better. I'm quite certain most web developers would be more than happy if you supported ECMAScript instead of JScript. And an overhaul of the CSS support would also be beneficial. I clearly remember your CEO shouting "developers, developers, developers". And I've noticed your recent move towards standardization (OOXML, CLI, C#, etc). So for the upcoming IE8, think "developers" and think standards (but existing, this time). Trident is not as good as it could be today, but you have the power to change that for the upcoming release! I reckon you're already focusing on end-user experience. Therefore, I think I don't need to mention that.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
The ieblog finally talks about IE8 . No real information yet, just a confirmation that they're working
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
how about IE 8.2 saves a few upgrades
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
"please don’t mistake silence for inaction." If you guys were in action, you'd have a beta.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Even if they do implement HTML 5 into IE 8, whilst there are still a few people using IE 7 and Firefox 2.0.0.11, we'll be stuck with HTML 4.01. Grr!
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
What are the chances IE8 will be standards compliant? I'm a web developer and I'm sick of making two versions of every website. Making a separate non-compliant website that only works in IE is ridiculous.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
You can't even properly parse HTML special chars on your blog.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Dean: I'd like to point out that the web development community hasn't been confusing silence with inaction, but has been (correctly) equating silence with uncertainty. That uncertainty continues as you have not yet answered these basic questions:
When will your next beta or alpha be available?
What about the version after that?
Is your organization standardizing the new stuff you added in the last stable release? Where? Since nothing new was added to in IE7, we can peddle that last question back to IE 6 (or 5) (CSS expressions, VML, and HTC's come to mind). Regards
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I used to defend you guys when it came to web browsers, but now I can't. Opera, Safari and FireFox are kicking your rears, because they're totally open with developers on what works, what doesn't, what's being improved, and what's new. And they're delivering new releases every few months (instead of years!) To save IE, you need to:

Rewrite the entire parsing and rendering engine. Take full advantage of WPF, etc. for optimal speeds. Make it truly multi-threaded. Etc.
Rewrite the entire Javascript engine. FireFox is going to have that super-mega-efficient engine in a few versions-- what are you guys planning?
Comply fully with established and agreed-upon standards.

Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Good to hear. IE7 was a massive improvement and I look forward to seeing some screenshots or a feature list for IE8. I'd like to see a larger toolbar back, more CSS compliance, and better MSDN documentation on extending IE (while we're on it, how do I access the in-memory cookie store as a BHO?).
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Come on you people.. I have enough trouble developing for 2 of your IE versions, now we're gonna have another version to develop SPECIALLY for... You're gonna earn a lot of points if you start admitting FF Extensions... think about it ;) Greets
Anonymous
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Good to hear IE isn't decomposing but then again unlike a lot of folks I actually have read about IE8 from several sources (including a video of Chris doing a presentation) and about the new rendering engine you guys have been working on. The new engine will no doubt follow standards much better, will the current standards become a semi-quirks mode and the original quirks mode left in place? I don't expect an answer now and would prefer you folks to squash more bugs then Starship Troopers while we wait. Since you guys are working on a new engine I'll sit back and relax, take all the time you want to get things set straight, just don't pull a decade long Duke Nukem Forever on us. ;-) After all we have conditional comments so only amateurs are still "hacking" their main stylesheet. IE8 - The Empire Strikes Back! IE8 - Huh huh, hey Beavis, we're like old!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I think Ie^2.0794415417 would be a bit more accurate :)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
China, Japan, Korea...still waiting for IE7 auto update. Seems it is going on about a year overdue in Asia. Whats up with that?
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
You're faced with a dilemma. Lots of websites were written for IE, so if you make the next version standards-compliant they'll be peeved with you. On the other hand, if you don't make the next version standards-compliant, alpha geeks are going to lose interest in MS-centric technologies for the web and move over to Google tools, products and API's. Suggestion: Keep IE7 as is. Don't add features; just fix bugs. Then create a new product with a new brand that's ahead of the curve on standards-compliance and commit to that as a on-going priority. For older sites, people can use IE. But moving forward you can promote "Renders For Sure" and get all the love and adulation that would otherwise go to Google. Instead of being the constant target of caustic criticism for the alpha geeks in the web-generation, you can present yourselves as being the ones who created a "better web" with a more consistent, predictable experience for users and a huge increase in productivity for developers. Wouldn't it feel good, for once, to be the cool guy? Most people I know associate MS with an older generation. Sooner or later you've got to turn that around. Or not. It's up to you.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Wow.. you guys are as clueless as they get. You are just poking the tiger. IE7 is garbage. It trades one set of mess (IE6) for a new set without enough improvements in between. Now you think it's the right move to be coy and play games like "hey we're calling it IE8". That's a sign of arrogance mixed with stupidity. You have zero credibility with developers. You need to be upfront, honest, and open. It's not like it makes monetary difference (they're FREE). If you're not planning to be truly standards compliant, just say so now -- stop wasting everyone's time.
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
a good name for this version of MS Browser is 'SilverLight Client' !!!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Who wants to put money on whether MS gets it right this time?
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Great to hear about IE 8. I am curious what is in your top priority list for the newest version, what you think going into this new product cycle, and I am curious what you think about the direction the html 5 working draft is heading in?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
No Man, not one more IE to take care off !!!! Please, be standard compliant.
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Fully Standards Compliant. That's all I ask please. The cost to me and my company, and my clients, in terms of time, frustration, and customization is staggering. Please save the day and make a platform that's consistent for us developers to make incredible things with!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Not a single mention of IE7++. Greatly disappointed. Remember not to break Chris Wilson' s Mom's bank's site.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I do not care what you call the end product. "In the meantime, please don’t mistake silence for inaction." I'm sure the IE has been active. However, what is (completely) lacking is a public dialog about those actions and progress. If you only do one thing with IE8, make that be improved standards compliance. Full would be ideal, but even a significant improvement would be beneficial to all.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
That's the whole point of this post? To announce that the successor to IE6 and IE5 and IE4, etc., will be called IE8? Seriously? You don't take web developers seriously, do you? Because at this point, I'm beginning to think that this is all some kind of big joke, this whole IE thing. What other conclusion is there to draw from this mess?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
"What are the chances IE8 will be standards compliant?" Umm, zero to none. Come on, when has M$ ever been about standards? IE 8 isn't gonna be any better than any other version of IE, it'll just look different.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
It ought to be called IE98 after the level of Internet standards that it will probably (hopefully) support. IE will never be able to properly support the standards until they replace the rendering engine with one that allows them to do so.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
i'm surprised that you didnt call it IE vista or ie2008
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
how about ie.2k8 - that's tight!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I don't care what you call it. Just make sure that CSS implementation if done correctly this time. Lets hope the IE developers take some time out and read about CSS bug in IE, start here <a href="http://www.positioniseverything.net/">www.positioniseverything.net/</a> Thanks.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Just take the hard decision and "break" the web once. Then it'll be alright later. Firefox meanwhile is there to "support" broken websites. Otherwise you just can't bring IE up the current standards.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Although it is frustrating to me too, the lack of information from the IE team isn't really their fault. What other development team in the Windows division is also being that open? I don't see Windows 7 blog posts, Media Player 12 blog posts (the WMP team doesn't even have a blog), Media Center "Fiji" blog posts, etc. It's quite likely that the silence is mandated by Windows VP Steven Sinofsky. I bet the IE team is aching to talk but being held back by upper management. Contrast with "DevDiv" -- the majority of blogs here are by for developer products, which makes sense because this is "blogs.MSDN.com" after all. Unfortunately, Microsoft's web developer platform (MSHTML) is not part of DevDiv but (along with IE user interface stuff) part of the Windows division. That seems to be a big part of the problem.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Between IE6 and IE7 there was all silence and not much action in terms of standards support at all. Since IE7 came out there has only been silence. I get your joke, but this is still inaction, looking at the way it has gone down with IE in the past.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I really don't care about IE8 unless it has ...
inline XHTML extensions (as per the spec!!)
flawless CSS 2 support
CSS 3 support per drafted specs
HTML 5 per WHATG/W3C draft, including [canvas]
script debugging registry hooks that are no so easily corrupted
coordination with Silverlight team to facilitate full W3C DOM automation (and window.eval()-esque interopability from Silverlight to browser script runtime) from Silverlight runtime ... so that we can do full-blown IE-DHTML using JScript / C# / Ruby / Python !!
optional browser-based script debugging
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
PatriotB, then they should close this blog if they aren't going to use it to actually communicate, just like they did with the bug database.
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
XHTML is kind of a has been standard at this point with the work being done on HTML5 that heads in a different direction.
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
How about: IE8 - "We 8nt listening to you."
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
You should understand that silence is inaction. The beauty of a browser like the Firefox is the update system that ensures that users are very current with the latest incremental release. Windows update could offer the same assurance and should take place ASAP. Eliminating the IE6 versions and spreading the latest IE.Current is paramount to moving the web platform forward. Anything less will force serious web developers to question IE as a real web environment.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
It is tonychor.com (like his name)...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Ok for joking. Thanks for the news, at least we got something now.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
"Windows update could offer the same assurance and should take place ASAP. Eliminating the IE6 versions and spreading the latest IE.Current is paramount to moving the web platform forward." bws, they're doing that. My last Windows Update has been trying to get me to upgrade to IE7 on one of our systems. (I refuse it so that I can have an old system to test with.)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Hahaha. Nice name choices :D Can't wait for IE8. I'm hoping for improved and easier RSS support. That's the one thing that pushed me to Opera.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Thank you. http://blogs.dotnethell.it/vincent/Il-nome-del-prossimo-Internet-Explorer-sara-IE8.__12390.aspx
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Pure genius. Dean you make me quiver in awe of the sheer grandiose intellect you must have used to author this post. Truly ground-breaking stuff. How about pulling your fingers out and supporting ES4? Why wasn't IE 2008 suggested? Can't deliver a product that 'soon'? I've got it ... "Inertia Experience 2,00x" No better name for a browser that will only see three releases in a decade.
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
IEBlog : Internet Explorer 8 Just as he was the first to talk about IE7, Bill Gates kept the tradition alive and discussed IE8 at the Mix ‘n Mash event here on campus yesterday. Bill was talking to some bloggers...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
You might aswell just call it Internet Devolver 8
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
you should just grab firefox an skin it IE style.. heh, that would be nice :)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Guys! We have a name! ...now all we need is a product and we're golden...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Good, glad to finally hear something. I recently viewed a movie on Channel 9 about quality control in the Visual Studio 2008 project, it meant faster releases and less bugs. I hope you will consider that process for IE8. Silence may not mean inaction, but for people that rely on your products, silence means uncertainty, and prolonged silence means frustration.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Nice work. Only one year to choose the name (and what a superb name!), so I really look around the 2010 alpha release of IE8 ! Maybe golden in 2011 and stable in 2012 ? All-in-all, great news. I wonder how it will compete with Firefox 7...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I've been a web developer since 1996 and can tell you that IE's non-standard approach has cost the whole community BILLIONS of pounds (and even more dollars) in unnecessary work. The arrogance and short sightedness of MS is staggering. I still use VS but only as a colour coded text editor as I don't trust MS to generate proper HTML. I'm not anti-MS, I just need to build standards compliant web sites. So, Mr. Gates, PLEASE just forget about building a browser, you can't do it, you've had enough goes at it, how thick are you if you haven't twigged this yet. A browser is only there to view web sites, it doesn't need to do other stuff. Just let us all settle down with Firefox or our standards compliant browser of choice. I'm with Lenny!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Wow, did I get a lot of useful information out of this post. You're having great fun baiting people with empty words, don't you? What a monopoly can do to people, amazing...
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Ok must admit IE7 is better than IE6 but who cares! you will just copy someone's ideas just as you did in IE7. the fact is you still support BHO in IE7 (Although security is tight), it is still vulnerable. M$ will never get thier security right just because security development requires passion and innovation that lacks in your team. btw I am Ex M$ from Windows OS Team so I know what I am saying!
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Please fix CSS 2.1 and make the DOM closer to the W3C specs. How many websites are actually broken on a standards compliant browser these days? If you really need backwards compatibility, use a different rendering engine. E.g. for transitional doctypes use Trident from IE6/7 and for strict doctypes use your new fully standards-compliant IE8. Even if you can't do that, add a proprietry META tag or something such as IE8PleaseRenderMyPageInStandardsModeImBeggingYou=true. When you're inline with the competition on http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support, then (and only then) add new features to the browser. Please?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I need js debugging support....
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Great... At this rate, there would an IE8000 before year 9999 ushers in a new "millennium" bug.
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Who cares - everyone in the know uses Firefox!
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
the developers of IE should try using it for website development. the improvements needed in IE would become very apparent!
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December 05, 2007
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Anonymous
December 05, 2007
To cheer all up: http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/firefox-september-2007/index-1-2-3-110.html If it'll go like that we won't have to bother about IE8 when ff3 will come anyway.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
How about IE7.99999999999999999999999999998163875 Says it all doesn't it? For the nitpickers: them digits are random from my fingers on the keyboard. For the rest: FF+extensions is where it's at. I work in a fortune 500, and I develop web applications in IT.
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
E' ufficiale: Internet Explorer 8 si chiamer
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
aaron said" What are the chances IE8 will be standards compliant? I'm a web developer and I'm sick of making two versions of every website. Making a separate non-compliant website that only works in IE is ridiculous." Ridiculous, yes. Because it sounds like you're building your sites the wrong way to me, if you think you need a separate version for IE! Much as I dislike the hassle of having to check things in several browsers, I've never built two versions of any site. Anyway, back to topic, when will the beta be available? Will it be released the same way as the IE7 betas were?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
that's a joke! right guys? :S
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
After a long silence, the Microsoft IE team finally announce some long awaited news on IE8, it’s going to be called Internet Explorer 8. After months of silence I’m glad they cleared that one up! No news on features, bugfixes, etc. Ex-Micro..
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
I want IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet! And I want to see the ribbon in it! (ribbon from Office)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
How about doing the next one right for a change and call it IEFADWV.. Internet Explorer.. FINALLY A decent Working Version. they still can't seem to grasp the concept of stacking something....... mumbles something about z-index
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
Wow. Can't people take a joke? : Now all I wonder is what exactly the new engine is like… An Opera-esque change?
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
World class CSS support please? If a bunch of volunteers can do it for Firefox surely a multibillion dollar corporation like Microsoft can do it? Developing good-will amongst consumer has worked wonders for Google ;-)
Anonymous
December 05, 2007
@David Eldridge: May I point out that the Mozilla 5 codebase (or what's left of it. I believe it has probably been completely rewritten over time) is what still powers the OSS Mozilla projects and later versions of Netscape?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
When will details of this prog and its interface with Popfly be available?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Mind you, but don't give yourself promises. IE7 is being excluded from Windows XP SP3 so IE8 will probably not run on Windows Vista at all.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Is IE finally gonna be re-written? and change that dodgy old rendering engine. Oooh! see how the text expands into long vertical lines, Pretty Ugly! dude!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
i think IEnG ( Internet Explorer Next Generation) is suitable for this product , like IPnG(IPv6) . just for WEB2
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
+100 points for a post about IE8! -10 points for humor on a non-funny subject -50 points for NO INFO on IE8 -25 points for only talking about it after the boss lets the cat out of the bag "please don’t mistake silence for inaction" - kind of hard not to... because "we don't mistake silence as a lack of respect for the community" We would now like the following please: 1.) Operating System supported list 1a.) If it doesn't include XP, don't bother releasing it 2.) Fixed Bug List 3.) List of now supported technologies (e.g. XHTML, SVG, HTML5, CSS2.1, CSS3?) 4.) UI Fixes for IE: 4a.) Can we drag toolbars yet? 4b.) Have all the chrome issues been fixed? 5.) Have BUTTONS finally been fixed? 5a.) Stretching/pixelation 5b.) submiting the right value 6.) JavaScript Console? 7.) Download Manager? 8.) Draggable Links/Tabs? 9.) Favorite limitations fixed? 10.) DOM fixed yet? If I still can't do simple stuff like .setAttribute('name', 'bustedInInternetExplorer'); or .getElementById('anIdNotANameAndYesTheCaseCounts'); Then please for the sake of the developer masses, please do not release until this is resolved.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
This is announcement probably the most arrogant response to criticism ever. Congrats.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@pd: should be Inertia Expedience 20xx, shouldn't it? Will it really ship by 31 December 2009? Not if they keep going at their current blistering pace - a year to pick an obvious name, and the lamest blog post in World Wide Web history to brag about it. @Dean: You guys should change your names, move to Kazakhstan, and pursue exciting careers as junior deputy assistant street sweepers. I was going to suggest JDA ditch diggers, but a) I wouldn't trust anybody who had anything to do with IE 7 near a sharp edge and 2) that job has fortunately been automated sufficiently by now. SteveB ought to throw chairs at the entire Incoherent Exploder "team" and license Opera. It's not like you haven't done it before. Is the Spyglass copyright notice still in IE7? IE7 is the nail that finally slammed shut the MS coffin for three of my clients. Both I and the other developer they use have started quoting our work for "standards compliant", "works in any one version of IE" and "works in two versions of IE" separately. When customer squawked, we each, separately (only finding out about this later) pointed them to historic internal metrics and external articles pointing out the grossly negligent defect that is IE. IE8 would have to improve by multiple orders of magnitude over IE7 to even reach the "eats bovine offal for breakfast" quality level. I want the Web that most of us saw coming back in the mid-1990s, and the only serious obstacle between us and it is (at the risk of being doubly redundant) Microsoft intransigent incompetence (technically). If your technology was 1% of f1% of 1% of 1% as good as you think your marketing is, you would own the world and we'd be applauding you. Now, some teenager in East Slobodnia pwns the IE world instead, and we're not happy about it.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I can't believe all the negativity. I can't remember the last time any product was released that pleased everyone. It's a shame that individuals can't just keep their whining to themselves. On another note, congrats on getting closer. I would have went down the marketing path since those names always get Scoble and Mary Jo going. Can't wait to here more!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Prediction Time: No cash offered here, but I'm betting on the following... hope to be proved wrong. 1.) No JS Console 2.) No CSS3 3.) Limited CSS2.1 improvements 4.) z-index bugs not fixed 5.) Chrome issues not fixed 6.) HTML5... nope! 7.) XHTML... mimetype properly recognized, all other aspects still broken 8.) Counter Intuitive Conditional Comment required to get certain rendering fixes to occur 9.) Javascript DOM changes: a) lowercase attribute names supported b) W3C event listeners - not added c) DOM mutation events - not added 10.) PNG Alpha - not fixed 11.) SVG support - 3rd party only (which is zero, because Adobe dropped it, thinking MS was going to step up to the plate) 12.) whitespace issues in the DOM - not fixed 13.) fullscreen addressbar redisplay - not fixed 14.) UI issues a) Refresh/Stop buttons still not in the correct location (left of the address bar) b) Drag to new tab - not fixed c) Bookmark security warning on JS links - not fixed d) Horrible Inet Options dialog arrangement/usability - not fixed e) Security Bar issues - not fixed 15.) Loading about:blank - still painfully slow ............... 16.) Useless shiny new features added? - you bet!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
...so, so who cares about it any more...?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
how about "IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE"? Or IE8 should be avoided. My child told me this one.... I am afraid of IE becuase IE 8 9. for those who cannot translate my child actually meant.. I am afraid of IE becuase IE ATE 9.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
bah, i hope that version dont delay about 4 ou 3 years, like IE7. just hope some full implementation of CSS2 and 3.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Those names were not funny... As a webdeveloper I think you should have more alpha and beta releases so we can make our websites IE ready and get out all the css bugs... GRR IE
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Let's hope its web-standards compliant too.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Why is it that I do not see any responses from the IEBlog team to any of the comments/questions/concerns that has been left? I guess we shouldn't confuse silence with apathy either.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I personally thing IE7 is fine, I only use firefox when I need firebug, apart from that I fin IE7 way faster and more stable compared to FF I think half the people going on about standards probably have no idea what they are talking about and just want to jump on the "I hate MS" band wagon
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Just throw out this garbage called Internet Explorer, buy up Opera and change the red O to a blue E. And thanks for being funny, really.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Just throw out this garbage called Internet Explorer, buy up Opera and change the red O to a blue E. And thanks for being funny, really.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How about IE 7 Web Standards edition. One that will adhere to the web standards everyone else uses. Then you can add as a plugin to IE the ActiveX stuff and all the other non-standard code. That way we turn them off and it works like the other browsers. peaking of which, how about a nice plugin system of some type? Go ahead and tie it to .NET or VB or whatever to get the income, but let the developers extend your browser. You can then come back and steal the ideas and put them in as standard features which will run faster. Everyone wins right? That isn't far from the way it has been in the past.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I cannot believe that 1 year after the release of IE7 that the first "news" about the next version is that you have FINALLY decided on a name? As Microsoft proved with with IE6, it would totally be irresponsible of anyone to mistake silence with inactivity - oh wait - that is exactly what silence meant. Given Microsoft's recent track record with IE, why should anyone assume otherwise? @Jason - What you hear is not whining, but rather the sound of a community trying to hold a company accountable. When Microsoft started working on IE7, they promised that after IE7 was released that they were not going to sit on their laurels like they did with IE6. If Microsoft doesn't wake up soon, then next sound you hear will be the pitter-patter of little feet as the other 75% of the browser users following the first 25% who have long since moved to FF.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE 1000 pretty much rules :) Kudos for this post - the comments are a proof that webdevs have even less sense of humour than server admins.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
i'm not sure if anyone said this before (there are quite a few comments) but ie could really use a download manager, like real browsers (opera) have.
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
@Kris - As a Microsoft MVP I am definitely not jumping on the "I Hate MS" bandwagon. Microsoft is a big company. Some divisions/product teams are better at keeping customers happy, and some still have a lot of work to do. Scott Guthrie and his team in the DevTools division do a great job of continuing to innovate and keep their customers informed. The IE team needs to take some lessons. Do not mistake customer frustration with some blind hatred for the company.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I really enjoy IE7 and look forward to the new IE8. Keep up the good work guys!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
from thye series: why should I get an interesring life when I can excell in boring people
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Can they GET any more creative with the name? I can imagine the announcement: "Everyone, I have a big announcement to make!!! We're going ahead with our new web browser development. And after much deliberation, it is called, 'Internet... Explorer... 8!!!' Please, hold your questions. The main goal is to add functionality for html rendering, completely remove menu bars, more security, more warnings, more activex blocking, and css/html headaches. Thank you"
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"I think half the people going on about standards probably have no idea what they are talking about and just want to jump on the "I hate MS" band wagon" @Kris Do you even know what standards are? Let me explain what standards do for you just in case you really don't know. They cut down development time, allow users a choice on browser client. I like my sites to be viewable by as many users as possible, even those not running Windows/IE. At my work, I am the cross-browser expert so I have to write the majority the JS, and my day usually consists of spending 20 minutes writing something that works in standards browsers (FF, Opera, and sometimes even Safari) and the rest of my day making the same functionality work in IE. I'm not a MS hater, but I dislike their attitude towards the developer community and abiding by standards. Next time Kris, try getting your facts straight before embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE: The standart Browser for OUR WEB
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
It blows me away that a company that can make products like Exchange and SQL Server have such a hard time making a web-browser. Seriously. IE is losing market share left and right, which is a shame becuase it started out as a good browser. IE7 was a step in the right direction, but it's still unacceptably quirky. If IE8 comes out and has all the same quirks that it has had in the past with CSS and JS, then it will continue to lose. Come on guys, give deveopers and consumers something worth while.
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Internet Explorer 8 Bill Gates discussed IE8 at the Mix ‘n Mash event on the Microsoft campus yesterday....
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I'd like the feature where I can place RSS feed straight on the links toolbar that would drop down a menu listing the content of those RSS feeds. Only missing feature that FireFox has that IE doesn't.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@Kris: "I think half the people going on about standards probably have no idea what they are talking about and just want to jump on the "I hate MS" band wagon" Maybe half of them are? But that still leaves thousands of developers tearing their hair out because IE doesn't follow the specs! Best case in point. If you were the one implementing a method on the Document object... and the method was called: document.getElementById( String id ) Do you think you could handle it? Its a tricky one! you have to return null if you can't find a match, and return the element, if it has the exact same id. Well, this is why we're are making such a fuss! It wasn't implemented correctly, in fact it is full on botched! The element returned doesn't have to have an exact match on the id, in fact, it doesn't even need to have an id attribute whatsoever! How much worse could a method be implemented?! If you seriously don't care about web standards Kris, then Web Development is not for you.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
It seems like a lot of you are asking IE8 to just become Firefox (or Opera), when they already exist. I think the perfect is the enemy of the good. I think IE7 is a great improvement on IE6, and I think IE8 will continue the trend.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
soo... this is the name... Internet Empire 2008 abb... I.E.2008
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You stupids. Microsoft said that IE8 will be released 8 months after the release of IE7. When is it coming now? 2015?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Is anybody else completely impressed with how many comments are on this page since yesterday? Talk about wow! I too would like ie8 to be more standards compliant. W3C exists for a reason, to bring some kind of conformity to the web. Any time I talk to non-web developers about developing on the web all I hear is how they can't handle having to account for how things work on x number of browsers. Its not about making ie8 more like firefox, its about making it more standards compliant so that everyone's life is easier. At least thats my take.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
It's time for the browser to move beyond just the internet and into the broader world of desktop applications, tv, electronics, etc. We need a rebranding. Here are 2 new names to pick from: Microsoft Explorer 1.0 Live Explorer 1.0
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Just name all future versions as the drink "7up" and save your time :-)))
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
For Windows XP: Internet Explorer eXPedition 8 [img]http://img.pixs.ru/images/_4096491_20719.jpg[/img] For Windows Vista: Internet Explorer Ultimate Edition 8 [img]http://img.pixs.ru/images/ie8mockupf_5111484_20718.jpg [/img]
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Is it too hard for multibillionare company like Microsoft to produce a browser that adheres to standard?
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
It should be Ie^2.079 or IE1000 (why not IE10 in octal?)
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Awesome to finally get some news! Keep up the sharing of information, and I'm sure I'll hear all about everything I want to hear about.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Well, I don't want to be mean, but here's a piece of advice: While developing IE8, think about why IE7 and less are considered the worst browsers ever (being the most used can NOT excuse this). Or more precisely, why does it gives a such intense headache to most web developers I know, including me... It just don't want to follow the standards; Well, it does follow one, the Microsoft's standards, which can only be considered as such "because it IS MS...." ... and in the world we live in, I doubt this is a reason at all... All in all, do something about this, and CONFORM to what's being used for once, instead of trying to lead everyone with nonsense... My 2¢, sorry if I appear a bit rude
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Hi, I am a developer, and I really find the latest IE incarnation to be quite a payne. You know, let me give you a quick example, just for fun. We have a div, and I want to make it have a 100% height. This is really simple in IE6, due to a bug, it isn't 100% of the current viewport, its 100% of it's parent. In the other browsers we solve this by making the div act as a table, using display: table. Well, in the other browsers, except for IE7 that doesn't support this css 2.1 property. But it's ok, the client understands.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I know global statistics still show IE7 only taking up 25%–35% of overall Internet Explorer usage, but stats on this site show a slightly different story (usually skewed toward the crowd more likely to install/upgrade a browser). For the first t..
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@visez.trance: what is that div's parent's computed height? Is it auto? If so, CSS 2.1 says there is nothing to take a percentage of, so the div must ignore the height:100% and be height:auto instead. I don't know if that's what IE7 does, but it sounds like what you want to do isn't possible according to CSS.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Lenny wrote, "Is it possible that you could abandon the IE platform altogether and start supporting Firefox?" Can I get an "AMEN!" Dear Dean, Stop fighting with the marketing department and focus on getting the basics right once-and-for-all (CSS & HMTL).
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"don’t mistake silence for inaction" Nor will we mistake action for progress
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Please give priority to existing standards: especially XHTML, CSS 2+ and SVG plus interoperable JavaScript. I have no immediate need for Silverfish, or any desire to spend my time writing workarounds for IE's shortcomings when there are non-proprietary standards available.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Well isn't this exciting. Never anticipated a browser release before. I need to get my act together and write some more IE bug test cases. You will find them here. http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ Please change the behavior of floats, please allow an element floated right clear an element floated left and visa versa and please get rid of hasLayout.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"...I mean, we're not -- there's not like some deep secret about what we're doing with IE." That's what
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
the name choice are funny, but more information is needed.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"...I mean, we're not -- there's not like some deep secret about what we're doing with IE." That's what
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I have one question, Will Microsoft do it right? I live by Microsoft technologies, however, IE is one thing that I don't use and that is a shame!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You came close with "iIE". Names I've previously considered for your browser:
"!IE" [i.e. "anything but IE"]
"$%^$@#%^&IE" [i.e. "blankety-blank, blank, blank, blank IE"] Internet Explorer has cost me enough time over the last eight years or so that I have seriously considered calling a press conference in front of Microsoft's corporate offices, during which I urinate on the building, and then hold a question and answer session for the press.
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Ο Bill Gates κράτησε την παράδοση και έγινε ο νονός του επόμενου Ιnternet Εxplorer. Από τα πολλά ονόματα
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Nobody here really said what this blog post means: This blog post is an insult to all Web developers who want to see the Web evolve. Thank you Microsoft for insulting the world at large.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@Ben asked: Q: "how do I access the in-memory cookie store as a BHO?" A: Use InternetGetCookie from the BHO in the same process. @Joe P: What HTTP/1.1 methods do you think WinINET/IE doesn't support? @Ronnie: You can view RSS on your Favorites bar with FeedFolder add-on. See http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/FeedFolder.asp
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
The is just completely worthless. Congrats, you guys figured out the most important part of a product in a series...the next name.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You know what'd be cool? Having IE not completely mess up the way websites work so that every page out there has to be rebuilt.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Really? IE 8? Why should you even continue after IE 7? Ask yourself that, you have a tool that does the job better already, for free, and with more functionality. Nobody would hate you for just dropping IE. Have some developers work on a mare useful web browser (you know the one) and do your part for the first time in 9 years to help develop what the web could be. Everyone already knows that whatever effort you put into IE 8, won't even match up to what other web browsers already have. It's a terrible waste of time and resources. You try to reinvent the wheel, but you come up with a triangle. Yes, it's that bad.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
sigh And we are an internet-based company and we are still using IE6. What I wouldn't give to use tabbed browsing.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Same us devs a headache using the friggin standards. It would be much easier to just use WebKit or Gecko and tweak it for your ActiveX needs (or obsessions).
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
I would love to see Clean CSS and non-MSified JavaScript -- That would make me the happiest little camper alive! GOOO Team!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@James: If you get Avant Browser you can do that ... www.avantbrowser.com -- atleast until IE 6.0 is not mandatory at your company
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
MSIE 5 was best, MSIE 7 is fake and MSIE8 ???
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How about you fix this first: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/11/30/the-first-year-of-ie7.aspx Please, I beg of you. Don't make me create another CSS branch. I already have 3 just for IE (yes, I need to support IE5 at work too).
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
Honestly, should the branding be consistent with other Microsoft products such as Office 2003, 2007; Server 2003, SQL 2005, etc. Adopting that naming convention would really make things a lot clearer eh? Internet Explorer 1.0 = IE 1995 Internet Explorer 2.0 = IE 1995B Internet Explorer 3.0 = IE 1996 Internet Explorer 4.0 = IE 1997 Internet Explorer 5.0 = IE 1999 Internet Explorer 6.0 = IE 2001 Internet Explorer 7.0 = IE 2006 Internet Explorer 8.0 = IE 2???
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How about IE 1 since hopefully this one will be the one that actually works and supports dated standards.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I'm far from being a fan of IE, but really these comments are a bit pointless. The IE team surely have a very clear idea of what people want them to do. Wouldn't people rather they knuckled down and concentrated on with the enormous pile of fixes and new feature requests, rather than making pointless blog postings resulting in the same huge lists of things they already know about? I see the present post as reassurance that something really is in progress.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
yawn wake me when you have something i'll ever use... in that sense i've been sleeping on you guys for years now.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
So IE8 is going to be called ... IE8? Big deal.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
This is the only blog I can think of whose commenters regularly slam the posters. Funny.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How bout you fix the inconsistencies between IE6 and IE7 first before you talk about IE8. We who make websites still have to test on both of those and they each work very differently. Try to make the next incarnation less tedious.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE8n't worth this many comments
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE8 is good. Will it use the WebKit or Gecko engines, and be standards compliant. 'Cos that'd be nice and I might even use it.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Please, I beg you, for the sanity of web developers, improve css, javascript and SVG support!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You can call it "Internet Explorer Breakthrough Edition" if it's truly Standards Compliant...
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
God Save Firefox!!! IE7 = 2006 IE8 = 2012??? Angelo
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Hmmph, I'm still using IE6 and uninstalled IE7 last time I tried it. I'm liking Safari 3 on Windows. The name is the least important part of the browser. If IE7, er 8, was fully standard compliant, I might listen. Call it IElive.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Wow, what an incredibly condescending post. Good work guys.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
just build a browser which supports w3c and I don't care about the name, as long as I don't need to use it
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Give the guy a break...he can't help being arrogant, after living so long in an insular universe of denial that We Lead The Way and Everyone Else Must Follow. Guess what MS...no matter how big you are, how much money and influence you have, no matter... us lowly human beings will have our way despite you. Sooner or later you will dig your own grave with your misguided refusal to follow open standards. You don't have to own everything forever, do you? Why can't you face up to your past misjudgements and just play nice with the rest of the world?
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I would think that marketing would name it. Browser.Net claiming all browsers as their own, like ajax.net
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE Eight it's OK. Much appreciated :)
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
failed attempt at being funny wow.
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
If there is a next IE I hope it pass Acid2. And please drop IE6 as it bring major problems.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Hurry up and adopt web standards you idiots.
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December 06, 2007
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December 06, 2007
I hope any improvements and/or added features warrants the jump of an entire whole number in the versioning. But, since this entire blog post was just about the name, this is just a marketing scheme.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Yipee! http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx Ok, we all new it existed
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
In the end, it will just be called "Internet Explorer 8". ...and most of the public will wait until they see "Internet Explorer 8.1"
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I want to be finished with requiring multiple stylesheets called through conditional if statements for IE alone. Please, oh please get it right this time. Thank you. ps. While you're at it, maybe make it available to everyone so developers don't have to worry about IE6, and eventually IE7.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
To be honest, as a web developer, I don't really care about how the new version is going to be called, I just have one single wish: -> Make it standards compliant! And by that I mean: make a page, displaying 100% the same on all other major browsers, finally look the same on IE8, too. That'd be really welcome as you'd save us all a ton of time. Greetings to you guys!

miguy2k

Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Just wait for Firefox 3 to go GA and then copy it. That strategy's worked OK so far.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE "Ate" -> IE Fat -> IE Slow IE needs to diet. "Diet IE" will be a more customer focused name.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Microsoft, Please fire managers like these and invest your resources in improving CSS support for next version of IE.
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December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
looking forward to IE8, hope we dont lose more control over toolbars etc as we did with the upgrade to IE7. I love the way the tabs work so please don't change them, and whatever you do alter please add the option to revert to the old style of IE7, just in case :)
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Don't worry, I usually equate your silence with incompetence.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
So what, another worthless web browser that is developed by a mutli billion dollar company which can't even get its operating system right, let alone a web browser. IE7 is so behind on standards it should have been called "IE7: 'Good ol' days edition, before standards existed'". Seriously, make IE a decent web browser, even if it's by doing what you do best and stealing intellectual property, but make an effort.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How about this as a name: "IE continuing to lose marketshare to Firefox because Microsoft has a myopic vision of the software industry"
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Wie schon bei der letzten Version des Microsoftschen Browsers hat Bill Gates das neue bzw. aktualisierte Produkt vor kurzem beim Namen genannt. �berraschenderweise wird die n�chste Version „Internet Explorer 8” hei�en. Die Entwickler verrate
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
A co-worker of mine suggested the following: IE 8 All My Available Memory
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Probably it's out in 2012 when Firefox version 5 and Opera 11 is already launched.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet." This name is very long?!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet... Wow
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Microsoft will probably put more effort into coming up with IE's name than they will into fixing it's problems. This is exactly how IBM began their downhill slide. Those that do not learn from history......
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@EricLaw As mentioned, I wasn't sure if IE supported those methods or not (I don't use them, because I recalled issues (not sure in which browser(s)) Glad to hear IE supports all of them, I'll have to re-investigate which ones work in which browser again. @Joe P. If Eric is correct (I'm guessing he is... he's a little close on the subject at IE ;-) , what exactly were you (Joe P.) complaining about? @EricLaw, you'll have to excuse the significant bashing on this blog at the moment, there is a LOT of frustration in the dev community at the moment, and 90% is based on IE, and the lack of info we receive. We understand that the IE team may have been told to keep mum about much of IE8, but it doesn't make it the "smart" move in the industry, and I think a lot of people here just want management to understand that this is the wrong approach. MS doesn't need to spill ALL the beans, but they need to spill 2 or 3... None doesn't cut it. It is important for MS to realize, that many of us are building applications on the web browser platform... Its stability is key to our success, and its coherence to the standards, is very important when we deliver across multiple browsers, and even multiple OS's The simple fact that in a few months our applications, are going to ride on top of a platform that we haven't got ANY info on, is terribly un-nerving! We worry about the new features being added, breaking stuff. We worry about the bugs being fixed, not being fixed properly. We worry about implementations being fixed (WITHOUT BEING NOTIFIED) We worry about yet another version of IE still not supported much needed technologies. Thus, please forgive our tone... "Please don't mistaken our tone, for content with the status quo"
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet" Oh, puh-leeze! Enough "Windows Live" already.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
How about the name "Internet Explorer Forever"? ;)
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
“Does it have feature X?” That's my question ... where X = HTML (all of it, even the Q element)
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"the comments are a proof that webdevs have even less sense of humour than server admins" --pingpong LOL. And yes, IE 1000 is pretty awesome. Looking forward to the "lot more soon" promised, Dean.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I think it should be called "iEX" - better yet, just "X" although its far from that and losing more users daily.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Everyone who said "how hard is it to build a standards compliant HTML rendering engine" should go try to do it. The spec itself isn't even internally consistant. That said, I'm of the opinion IE needs a complete re-write: the frame, the engine, everything. There needs to be less emphasis on being a platform and more emphasis on being an application.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Make the name simple like "Internet Explorer 8". Lot of people using Non-IT people using internet using IE. So never let them think about it... Simple name it as "IE-8". But really the security, performance, reliability and stability matters in the browser war.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
It should be IE Last or IE Never. IE team does not care about their product quality much enough. Please dont release it when IE is not mature. IE7 is not mature, buggy. Don't break the web anymore.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
it costs our nonprofit 30% of its budget for web development to make the site work with ie7 (trying to set the name property on an input element via javascript was the last thing). please just make it work like everybody else's browser.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Please your marketing member team, if they want the long name, the will get it --> Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Service Pack 1 64 bit for Windows Vista Service Pack 1 64 bit. :D
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@EricLaw [MSFT], your regular and helpful activity in the comments is noticed by those of us paying attention. @Dean Hachamovitch, I appreciate how you are trying to lighten the tone. I'm glad you are staying above the negativity of the comments on this blog. Staying above it more frequently would be appreciated, though. :-) Blog entries capture a moment in history. Often things turn out different from what was predicted. Don't be afraid to tell us what you are thinking and doing. I'd like to know, even if it doesn't make the product eventually shipped as IE8. Is following Windows XP interface conventions something you are interested in for the IE8/WinXP build?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I'd like to file a bug report. With your parents. The next version of Internet Explorer will likely have hundreds of millions of users during its life-cycle. By ignoring the developer community you once had, and now making light of your horrendous business strategy, you've done nothing but destroy what credibility you once had and you've earned the animosity and contempt of people who will eventually work with your product on a daily basis. Also, you hurt my feelings.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Option Of The Unthinkable: Ban Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Have you thought about coding the GUI in .NET 3.5 so you can code all the features twice as fast with no loss of speed and then you can have most of the time to code the C++ HTML renderer and make it so perfect that it passes the ACID2 test and more (such as ACID3 and ACID4 :P)?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Oh, and please add "HTTP 1.1 pipelining" with up to 8 simultaneous connections! Users are dying for this killer feature.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE チームのブログのエントリ "Internet Explorer ...
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from DotNetKicks.com
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Microsoft Vista Internet Explorer.NEXT
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Eu sugiro um nome que já deveria ter sido desde o início... Windows Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Option Of The Unthinkable: Boycott Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
They may as well call it IE6 and just rerelease the old code, especially with the adoption rate IE7 has... it would be like an instant 40%+ marketshare!
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
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Anonymous
December 06, 2007
See this post for some nice suggestions => http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2007/12/06/next-version-of-ie-is-ie8
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Everyone who said "how hard is it to build a standards compliant HTML rendering engine" should go try to do it. The spec itself isn't even internally consistant. jorfdavf said: Everyone who said "how hard is it to build a standards compliant HTML rendering engine" should go try to do it. The spec itself isn't even internally consistant. I would if I was getting the same money as the IE development team are.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Dean announced yesterday on the IE blog that Internet Explorer vNext will be named Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
For once, do some work for developers rather than end users. Look at what Apple has done. Once upon a time when there was Mac OS X, IE for the Mac shipped as part of OS X!!!! and Tasman although better than Trident was nowhere near complete standards support. You are a whole generation behind and yet you keep on deciding standards support is not the no.1 priority?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
So if whether you really HAVE been working behind the scenes or not started IE8 development at all, this blog should be the turning point in your decisions. Please break it once and bring the rendering engine at par with modern web standards. Please give us back our web.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
IE 8? Way more people are still using IE6 than IE 7. Need to find a way to dispose of this baggage before there is any point in moving forward.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Dean announced yesterday on the IE blog that Internet Explorer vNext will be named Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
@Kris - seriously please read and get yourselves up-to-date on how much IE's standards support is compared to other competitive layout engines.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
fixing css issues to be standards-compliant is a far better idea than announcing 8 possible names for ie8.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
You guys should move under Somasegar's developer division, as looking at the current state of the web, IE's more of a developer platform and more work needs to be done on the developer side.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Just another sugestion. (maybe already posted...) Try IE 9-1 Work on IE 9 already and give us a real Internet browser !
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
basically user with standard account in Vista can change phishing filter setting and pop-up blocker setting on and off without getting a UAC notification i hope this change. I say UAC for Phishing Filter setting and UAC for pop-up blocker setting. This is to prevent other user from changing the settings.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Why does Microsoft even try to push a dead browser through time? They should seriously utilize the Gecko engine or WebKit engine to make a browser actually render things correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if the developers on the IE project use Firefox themselves. IE has killed the future for the web. It should be blocked and abolished.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Why does Microsoft even try to push a dead browser through time? They should seriously utilize the Gecko engine or WebKit engine to make a browser actually render things correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if the developers on the IE project use Firefox themselves. IE has killed the future for the web. It should be blocked and abolished.
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December 06, 2007
What's the big deal about name? Give us some thoughts on what you're going to do for non-PhD users, so that they can manage their IE (whatever) to work properly on every W3C compatible web page. One upon a time, I could manage my users via phone. Than I had to switch on e-mail instructions. Now I mostly have to visit them. Make it simple. That should be possible to acieve.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I have to vote with the crowd, here. Get standards-compliant. Is there anything else to say, really?
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
"# re: Internet Explorer 8 Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:35 PM by Paul You can't even properly parse HTML special chars on your blog." He gotcha there, your own blog doesn't seem to work with even the simplest of characters. If this is where IE8 is coming from, all I have to say is: LUL.
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December 06, 2007
If they still can't make IE standards-compliant, then they should make it open source now.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
They don't a bit feel embarrassed while taking about IE? Go on guys, the more version you'll release, the more you will loose grip over internet.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Although this doesn't give us any deeper details, but absolutely good to know that IE8 is planned and under development.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
Haha good joke! just like your standards support track record! Keep'em going IE Team.
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December 06, 2007
Microsoft, you have fixed some things for IE7, but until you will start listening developers and try to build standards compilant browser you won't have any support from developers and continue to loose market share to other browsers.
Anonymous
December 06, 2007
I believe the costs of implementing full web-standards support on Trident would be greater than implementing a completely new Layout Engine: The whole thing is already a HUGE workaround, and you guys need to worry about everything the browser will break at the operating system and application level (Since a lot of programs use the IE ActiveX control). You could just leave IE7 hidden on the system, for compatibility, and create a new engine based on the WPF, using C#. Or even better, you could just stick some Open Source layout engine right into your product! (Like Apple did). A new version of IE will have the same problems Vista is having. No one will upgrade. I mean, most people haven't upgraded to IE7 yet, have they?
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Please use WebKit. Please? Just use WebKit.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
First of all: Support full web standards: -CSS3 for starters -position:fixed css for thead -same standards for margin and padding that Firefox has Name: IE Live (it fits with everything else y'all are doing).
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
I think it's great you don't say anything. That's exactly what Microsoft should do. Remember Longhorn? I do. I don't want another Longhorn ever again. If you need time to get a good product, then by all means, take it as much as you need. I don't like Microsoft, but IE7 is very good and i'm using it again, that's worth something to me. We are tech people, of course we want IE8 yesterday, but that doesn't mean we should have it, with all the bugs. I'm gonna wait, I like IE7 for the time being.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
While I'm sure there are lots of important things mentioned in all these comments, what I really want is a UI that is more like what IE6 was. With IE7 on my laptop, I've been using Firefox lately. It is less of a UI change from IE6 than IE7 is.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Here's an idea - they could show how important they feel developers are by putting that right in the name: "IE8 Developers". Read it fast.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
I vote for IEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE or IE 7.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999. Or maybe IE8 Red and IE 8 Blue, each version comes with its exclusive functions and bugs you can capture
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
new window/pop-up window session mix up fix? drop down z-order fix? general parsing & rendering fix? jscript performance? jscript debug tool? It's too much to do isn't it? Just create an active x plugin for firefox instead, that will damage firefox so you might get some users back! On more serious note, save the web developers, don't release IE-whatever-the-name-will-be, and also release a IE remover as an automatic windows update. That will make 99.9% of the dev's happy.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Пятничный позитив. Хотите знать, как назвали IE7.Next?
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December 07, 2007
Will IE8 be W3C compliant? The web developers community is shouting it!
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Windows Internet Explorer 8 is very good...
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Problem with Microsoft is that whenever they release a new version of their products there is always controversy as to whether the new version is in fact better than the old. It is hard to get excited and rally around a new product if you know things about it are inferior, or if you know using it is going to cause problems. I know the new version of Firefox is going to be an improvement over the previous version. That it will let me develop more, be more stable etc. IE 8 on the other hand may be better may be worse. Will probably cause a number of difficulties. Will probably have to boot IE6 & IE7 in Virtual PC for testing as migration will be slow. BTW, I never get tired of hearing that obnoxious click sound every time I press a link. Keep that up!
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December 07, 2007
Make it go better with the standards rather than making your own
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December 07, 2007
What on earth makes Microsoft think the world needs IE? Fire the IE team and include Firefox or Safari and make life better for everyone.
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December 07, 2007
You should just give this whole project back to NCSA so they can fix your mistakes. All of you at the IE team are overpaid - and for what? TO BREAK THE INTERNET'S WEB INFRASTRUCTURE. Nice going. You're giving it the good ol' college try and guess what? You're succeeding.
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December 07, 2007
a option to warn user about software adding url links in the trusted sites. I installed a software and it added links automatically without warning me. I did not notice this until I check today. By default trusted site has the protected mode off right.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007

Turn everything <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(CSS)">on this page</a> that is red to green for the Trident engine.
Fix everything on <a href="http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html">this</a> page.
Support Scalable Vector Graphics (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/">SVG</a>)

Anonymous
December 07, 2007
IE 8?? One more upgrade and all new errors to take care of... pls pls take care of standards. anyways,I hate IE dev team, not even close to firefox.
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December 07, 2007

Turn everything on this page that is red to green for the Trident engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(CSS)
Fix everything on this page: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html
Support Scalable Vector Graphics: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/

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December 07, 2007
If they make IE8 standards complaint, they'll lose market share in 1 year. FF is faster, cooler and better. THEY ARE AFRAID!!!!!
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December 07, 2007
Please make IE8 support the 9 year old data url standard: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397 Firefox, Opera and Safari all support this. Without out IE support, the way is blocked towards wide deployment of single file web applications (a very convenient mechanism for deployment). See http://tiddlywiki.com/ for an example of an application that could benefit from this very much.
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December 07, 2007
Regarding the comments about IE being ditched and supporting Firefox, I think it is an excellent idea. The reason why I think that is because there could be an IE based on Firefox. Debian's Iceweasel did basically the same thing - the team took Firefox code and made a different browser. The same was done to the Seamonkey browser (Iceape), the Thunderbird mail client (Icedove) and, somewhat recently, the Sunbird calendar application (Iceowl). GNU did the same with GNU IceCat (Firefox-based; previously GNU IceWeasel, but changed due to confusion with Debian's Iceweasel browser) and Gnuzilla (Mozilla Suite). I'd say the IE team should be able to do the same if the work to meet the requirements is unimaginable.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
If you can fully implement the CSS Spec for CSS 1.0 & 2.1 and some of 3.0, I will be thoroughly impressed, otherwise, why bother.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
Just call it "Aieeeeeeee!". For each successive version, add an additional "e".
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December 07, 2007
They are joking. At least let some thing to be matured and widely accepted then move to the next version. But what can we say
Anonymous
December 07, 2007

make it standards compliant
make a Mac version again, so that webdesigners can easily test their sites for IE compatibility
implement a proper OPEN plugin framework, and include it in a free edition of Visual Studio. you will loose the browser battle without a proper ad blocker (and plugins like GreaseMonkey). the plugins currently available for IE7 are nothing but a bad joke.

Anonymous
December 07, 2007
this is great news. i was really happy with IE7 "still i am". looking forward for the 8 :D
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December 07, 2007
@John O'Brien: Unless you mean website like one would fine in the mid-nineties, I'm going to have to call you on that one.
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December 07, 2007
My IE8 Wishlist:

Consistent, standards compliant CSS (call it firefox mode, whatever)
URL Moniker enumeration (without forced instantiation, or creation of an activeX control, like a plugins collection - with version detection)
E4X
Browser consolidation (drag a tab from one browser to another, if it's the last one, just close the browser with no tabs)
Native Silverlight 1.1 support
Built in script/real time dom debugging Get these things going and we'll start talking to your developer community (as was promised in Mix 06 and 07) and we'll show up again to Mix 08 :)

Anonymous
December 07, 2007
comply with web standards microsoft. please. PLEASE. PLEEEEEEEEEASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
The name is not important. Standards compliant is the important. Try this page with IE and with FF : http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_outline Try this with IE and with FF: input { font-size: 7pt; border: 1px solid Gray; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 0px; padding : 0px; } input[type="radio"] { border: 0px; } Is more impotant to add more css, xhtml, etc, compliant standard, that say what name the product will have. Add a javascript debugger whithin the ie, to help developers in the work. And bugs fix, like the select html tag that not get the css style apllied to it.
Anonymous
December 07, 2007
This is a great example why i hate IE so much, i mean i can fix the bugs and stuff on the websites i make to work with IE, but it waists so much time, which i don't really have much of. I created a site, with different CSS and JS dropdowns, and they all didn't work correctly in IE6 or IE7! I just wish that IE would die! My url: http://www.evolutionfx.net/forum
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Are you guys reading all these comments? It's pretty amazing... It's really funny how much time is spent on a name of a product that has so much money invested in it. I think Microsoft's move to make IE7 available without WGA speaks volumes about how afraid they are of losing the advantage to a browser like Firefox. If you want my opinion about a proper name for the next version of IE, call it IE 99. As in 99% standards compliant. And PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THAT CERTAIN FEATURES ARE NOT STANDARDS YET. YOU ARE MICROSOFT!!! YOU ENFORCED IE (full of features, documented and undocumented; read BUGS) ON THIS WORLD AND MADE IT A STANDARD. Just because you didn't invent the feature, doesn't mean you shouldn't support it when EVERYONE in the world is asking you. Stand behind your statement "you spoke, we listened". Peace.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE8 will be in Beta to you people just before Christmas! http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE8? omg buy me a ticket to the Pluto!
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Why don't you get firefox source code? At least, CSS, XHTML, Javascript issue would be fixed. If product matters, don't play with names, give us some solid functionality and not another reason to build another version of a page just to support IE idiosyncrasies.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Will it support the gecko engine?
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
I really hope that IE8 has considerably less bugs than IE7, and that it is released soon. IE7 has been the worst IE by far and for a company, ANY COMPANY, let alone the largest software company in the world to release such a poor product is a complete disgrace. IE7 crashes on my machine several times a day for no apparent reason. It is totally unusable. Yet I have to use it to test my web designs for those that will not be moved. MS had better get this right.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
So, what reasons do you have to keep things secret? And please, finally fix the CSS. It's a shame an organisation with all those resources is soooo slow fixing this thing. IE7 only does part of the job...
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December 08, 2007
@Sox: IE is crashing for you due to a buggy add-on. See www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp for help in finding the problematic one. Most add-ons have new versions that fix such problems. @Mike Simon: What do you mean by "URL Moniker enumeration"? (All URIs are tracked via URL Monikers.) Are you asking for pluggable protocol detection via script? @Edelweiss: FWIW, IE7Pro offers ad-blocking and a greasemonkey-style engine. @Michael Clark: DataURI never was standardized. The partial draft was never ratified, which is likely the reason you see different behaviors (e.g. maxlength) between browsers that do support it.
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December 08, 2007
this is weird there has only just been ie7 i leave about 1-1.50 years befor making a new 1.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
this is weird there has only just been ie7 i leave about 1-1.50 years befor making a new 1.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Phew! That was easy! Now, thank goodness IE8 isn't shrink wrap software. You would have to take all that time now to design the packaging! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmZuieb7TM P.S. Did you consider "Internet Exploiter Ate?"
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
It's funny because it's so true. I actually believed it until I got to the second-to-last one.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Look, I have nothing against Microsoft. But I no longer code for IE. Why? Because it BREAKS WEB STANDARDS. Why is Microsoft doing this? Everyone is in favour of a free and open web. Why does Microsoft force me to have to choose between the Web Standard way and the Microswoft way? I'm going to choose the Standards way.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Look, I have nothing against Microsoft. But I no longer code for IE. Why? Because it BREAKS WEB STANDARDS. Why is Microsoft doing this? Everyone is in favour of a free and open web. Why does Microsoft force me to have to choose between the Web Standard way and the Microswoft way? I'm going to choose the Standards way.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
How can the most powerful, richest software company not have the ability to make the best web browser? Call it IE:FireFox edition.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Just like Microsoft to not worry about enough precision. Why not Ie^2.079441542?
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
"IE ate" as in: "IE ate my email composition when it crashed" "IE ate my preferences" "IE ate the Internet" Just kidding guys. All in good fun. Here, how about "IE ate Firefox"?
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
I'd love to give FireFox 400 million dollars for advertising, i bet they would gain amazing market share
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE ate my HDD IE ate too much and got bloated, again.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Frustrating thing about IE primarily is that older versions with broken compatibility are abandoned instead of fixed, given their huge installed base. Now I know you'd rather everyone use IE 6, then 7, and someday 8, but if there were a baseline 6 and 7 with correct CSS models, the Web would work better overall. I guess this has been said a million times, and it seems unimportant to Microsoft to provide full CSS 2.1 compatibility in a correct manner.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
How about Internet Live8? You would follow the company policy... plus, Bono would be happy.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
How about: IEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! ? ]:^)>
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE 8 ("The Ocho") Only makes sense if you've seen Dodgeball.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
There is only one feature I want in IE8. An uninstaller. Why do you so try to force everyone to use the worst browser the market has to offer?
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
This was essentially a self-deprecating post about a light-hearted subject yet nearly all of the comments are rude and mean-spirited. And I say this as a Mac user who browses mainly with Firefox and Safari so I'm not an MS fan boy just someone who longs for a little more civility in online discourse.
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December 08, 2007
IE not conforming to standards is what MS wants, so that's what it does. The way to advancement is to get rid of IE. Either by making it unnecessary or by disallowing MS to produce or bundle a web browser with its OS.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Perhaps a name derived from a frustrated audience. IE Infuri8
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE8 is great and all but frankly I'd be happy if you just did something to get people off of IE6. Do something to convince them to use IE7. While, I'd prefer more used FireFox or Safari -- I'd don't care which new browser their on as long as it's not that 6 year old lumbering ball of bugs IE6.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
I don't have much more to add, just another vote for CSS fixes.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
How about getting over the name, supporting web standards and delivering for other platforms?
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December 08, 2007
WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY You can't tell us that you don't hear us yelling for information. If Bill gave you the green light to spread the news, get on it please. Since the news was coming "soon", and there is an obvious need for it, we'll take it in trickles rather than wait for the full report. WEDNESDAY you said news was forthcoming, we were quite surprised there wasn't a "try and sneak it under the radar FRIDAY post that we normally get" 400 Comments all asking the same thing... spit it out please, we've been made to wait like children long enough! WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
thanks you. www.turgutyalci.com Just wait for Firefox 3 to go GA and then copy it. That strategy's worked OK so far.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
What are the chances IE8 will finally be standards compliant? I'm sick of writing separate, wrong-headed, non-compliant CSS for every site I work on just so it will work in IE.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Please drop the number one layout quirk of Trident (IE's rendering engine): hasLayout. It is responsible for direct violations of the CSS spec. A floated item is supposed to escape its container, but that's impossible if any number of CSS properties are set on the parent that give it hasLayout in Trident's "special" little world. While you're at it, please finally support generated content off of pseudo classes (just like EVERY other modern browser) so authors can choose when to have the parent element contain or wrap a float.
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December 08, 2007
Hello, Thanks for the information! I'm very pleased to learn that MS will soon be releasing another version of its browser. I think IE7 is just terrrific -- how surprised I was to see the improvements over v6, which itself was a superb browser! I love the current version and use it every day -- I don't understand why other people even care to use other browsers, as far as I can tell they are just bitter hippie liberals who are ungrateful to Microsoft's continued and deserved dominance over the computing market. Thank you again! You've got an amazing product, it could only get better!
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Yes I know that a piece on Internet Explorer is hardly in keeping with the political nature of ThatPoliticalBlog but being an MCSE I do have to stay in touch with the Microsoftian universe. Some people call them The Borg but hey, MS has been berry berry
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Could someone tell me if it's good for XP Professional?????? And how can I download it free???
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
I think IE8 best suits. It will follow the traditionname like IE5..IE6..IE7 ..and now IE8. IE8 is simple to speak,..and will be easy for common poeple to know that it is nest version of Microsoft IE.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
It doesn't matter what you call it, it will still be miserablely useless when compared to other browsers. Not only that, but IE obviously suffers major architectural defects that leave you standing still while the competition is sprinting over the horizon. You're never going to catch up. Microsoft sat on its hands too long.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Do not worry about deadlines, DO NOT SHIP IE8 UNTIL YOU AT LEAST MATCH THE STANDARDS COMPLIANCE OF WEBKIT AND MOZILLA. The last thing any web developer needs is to be forced to start developing for 4 different rendering engines instead of 3 (IE6, IE7, IE8, and standards compliant). The uptake of IE7 is slow, but if you really do care anything about developers, start supporting standards so that at least in 3,4,5 years time from now we'll eventually be able to simply write code once instead of 3 or 4 times.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Please do not release IE8, until you match the standards compliance. But do it asap :)
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
IE 0.8, as in "still in beta"? For the rest: agreed with all the standards requests. It would be bliss (and a sign of collective wisdom) if all developers refused to code for IE anymore, and if MS did the proper thing, which is to abandon IE altogether. What use is yet another brower if there are plenty of better browsers to choose from? I really, genuinely don't see the point. There's no financial gain for MS or any other obvious positive spinoff from having their own browser. Ergo, it must all be about the collective MS-ego. Sad, sad, sad.
Anonymous
December 08, 2007
Why doesn't MicroSoft license Safari from Apple while it works on IEx?
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Why not just make IE8 conform to WWW standards so any conforming browser will work the same -- you know, the way it's supposed to be over the platform agnostic web.
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December 09, 2007
Please Microsoft, support standards! Is it really too much to ask for?
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Please Microsoft, support standards! Is it really too much to ask for?
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Use WebKit as the rendering engine in your next browser effort.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
If nothing else, add support for a conditional-comment-style instruction: DoNotUseQuirksModeEvenIfItLooksAppropriate
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
I can't figure out why FF doesn't have a larger market share? Quit your whinny blogging and stop using IE. Promote alternatives. Only then will you get the attention of MS. Only when they lose market share will developers be treated with any integrity.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Why are you worrying about the name, for heaven's sake? Just get it to support CSS properly and we'll all be a lot happier. DK
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
oh good, have got a screen pictures?
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
how about trow it in to the toilet, and start a new browser from zero? cool eh?
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
So with great fanfarecough, Microsoft have announced the next version of their web browser , which
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
<<add support for a conditional-comment-style instruction: DoNotUseQuirksModeEvenIfItLooksAppropriate>> Now there's a silly idea. If you write proper HTML with a proper DocType, you won't end up in quirks mode. As an aside... 400 whiners here, and 399,999,600+ or so actual users who seem to think IE is just fine. Hmmmm.... With 85% of the marketshare, it's sorta funny to call the bit players out there "standards compliant" when they don't act like IE does. Sounds like some Orwellian double-speak to me.
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December 09, 2007
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Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Time and time again... IE is the past. Internet is OURS, Microsoft won't make me believe the opposite. Love Firefox when the memory issues will be fixed, and Opera when the UI will be customisable.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
JonD: "With 85% of the marketshare, it's sorta funny to call the bit players out there "standards compliant" when they don't act like IE does." Only if you don't understand what "standards" actually are.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
@John Oh dear. You are a moron. Here is why:

400 "whiners": more like 398 developers (that's to say people to have to deal with coding for IE) versus you and one other asshat who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Doublespeak: If you're going to try and appear more intelligent than you are (I can see why you'd want to) by quoting Orwell, then try quoting Orwell. Newspeak yes, Doublespeak no. If you're going to try and ridicule people for talking about things too complicated for you to grasp by talking about doublespeak, then at least learn how to spell it correctly (hint: no hyphen).
'It's sorta funny to call the bit players out there "standards compliant" when they don't act like IE does'. Not nearly as funny as you trying to do sarcasm. If you haven't heard that the W3C determines web standards, and are fuzzy on what IE does wrong then this is not the forum for you my friend: you neither understand nor care about the issues.

Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Think binary a ten mega název pro marketing mne opravdu dostává do kolen :-)
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Personally, I'm not interested in SVG, xHTML with a proper MIME type, <canvas>, or anything like that for Internet Explorer 8 - all I'd like to see is HTML 4.01, JavaScript and CSS's 1 & 2 fully implemented and bug free - and maybe some CSS 3, so that I don't have to concern myself with learning any new quirkiness. IE's 6 and 7 I can handle, have done for months now, but please, don't make me have to factor in any more bugs in a third edition.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
I can't get excited about this unless there is some reason to believe that IE 8 will finally get with the interoperable standards program. If you don't care about consistent and good user experiences and you don't care about development efficiency and achievement, I see no reason why anybody should care about anything you ever release—not users and not developers. If you still refuse to release a browser with decent standards support—if you insist upon wasting the time of developers who to this day cannot rely on standards-compliant Web content appearing properly in Internet Explorer without browser-specific work-arounds—please don't even bother. When Steve Ballmer jumped around on stage yelling "Developers! Developers! Developers!", he sure as heck wasn't talking about Web developers, was he? Until Microsoft is willing to show that level of enthusiasm in supporting Web developers through greater standards compliance in Internet Explorer, any new version of IE will be common through bundling, but it won't actually be good.
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December 09, 2007
JonD wrote: < <<add support for a conditional-comment-style instruction: DoNotUseQuirksModeEvenIfItLooksAppropriate>> Now there's a silly idea. If you write proper HTML with a proper DocType, you won't end up in quirks mode. As an aside... 400 whiners here, and 399,999,600+ or so actual users who seem to think IE is just fine. Hmmmm.... > Normal users, barely know how to use a computer let alone download a web browser from the internet, install it, then run it. The market share that Microsoft has, has nothing to do with the quality of its software (just look at windows). Microsoft (or should it be M$) uses marketing to make you think that there products are the best thing since sliced bread. Moreover, take the name Internet Explorer for example. Now if you had heard this for the first time, you would be under the impression that it's an application that explores the internet (which is what it does), not would you think that, you would also think that it's the only web browser out there (as this is the only one that came with your computer). < With 85% of the marketshare, it's sorta funny to call the bit players out there "standards compliant" when they don't act like IE does. Sounds like some Orwellian double-speak to me. > Ok, Now lets talk about the so called whiners, these people are developers and have the knowledge of the standards (I mean standards as in, the documents published by W3C), and have worked with developing applications that uses these standards. Most of these people have found the alternative and are using it every day (simply because they know all bugs associated with IE). Also your market share figure is incorrect, it's more like 77.35. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer#_ref-0 )
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
i hope its streaming fast.all right!
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December 09, 2007
Here are my weekly notes: I'm back from London. I think I have text messaging withdrawal. Your...
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
The only thing that makes me NOT want to use Fx is the memory leak issue. Other than that, I prefer it over any browser, even in Linux. Oops - I don't think mentioning Linux is allowed here, even if there was a bargain, err..., "agreement," with Novell.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
I think we are thinking backwards here..... microsoft should not have to meet the standards of the rest of the internet, we should meet the standards of microsoft....so lets all start coding in just HTML 1.0! CMON GUYS!!!!
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
In Japan, just now. Cool version number is "7X" ! :-p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraseven_X
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
You guys should focus much on functionality rather than name and look and feel.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Name should be: Explorer for teh internets
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Well of ALL of the comments above, maybe they could just call it IE7 !important? After all, this whole time we just use the !important tag on CSS-compliant browsers and put the IE7 tag right below it that's "supposed" to be ignored.
Anonymous
December 09, 2007
Sassafras - that was a joke, right? If it was, it was teh funny! If not, you're seriously funny anyway.
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December 10, 2007
@Glenn Carter: Implementing unfinished an underspecified Features won't lead us anywhere. IE 8 has to focus on proper HTML 4.01 and maybe starting XHTML support. As well as fixing a lot of bugs concerning CSS 2.1. Of course the DOM needs a big Update as well. If that happend, Webauthors would be very happy. Then, and only then, browsers are on an equal level and can compete with the newer features of HTML5 and CSS3. I mean, of what use is a canvas-, video- or audio-element when the underlying architecture isn't properly supported. The root has to be cleaned up first. Well, my 2ct...
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
idiots... is the microsoft IE office like when Bart Simpsons went to visit the MadTV office.
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
How about calling it Non Standards Compliant Browser V1.0?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Will it be good for rendering web pages?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
John O'Brien: I couldn't agree more about garbage collection. "Helpful" tips about changing dom-insertion order, or manually clearing event handlers on dom objects is a plain admission that MS has released a lousy product and are off-loading the burden of working around the bugs to developers. Simple fix: make the javascript "delete" operator actually free the memory of an object, regardless of what references you think exist to it. If the browser crashes, then it's OUR fault. As it stands, the browser already crashes on long-lived, DHTML-heavy pages, because it runs out of memory, and making developers fix that is like handing us a sieve and telling us to clean up after a diarrheal elephant.
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December 10, 2007
Honestly, why not give up on trying to make a good browser?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
@Darius: Slowness when opening a new tab is most often caused by either a slow add-on, or running a large number of add-ons. If you start IE in No Add-ons mode (www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp) do you observe better performance when creating new tabs?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
In all honesty, I just don't care any more. Do want you want, ya will anyway ...
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Will it standards compliant like FireFox, Opera, Safari?
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December 10, 2007
call it for what it is IE.08 Actually you would do web designers around the world a great big favour by withdrawing this app from the marketplace.
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Internet Explorer 8 has been announced. Along with the announcement came a funny blog post by the general manager listing some of the names that didn't quite make it. It's always nice to see a large company like Microsoft poke...
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December 10, 2007
"please don’t mistake silence for inaction" Well, it's kind of hard not to!
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
@EricLaw[MSFT] You indicate that "buggy" addons are the prime suspect for performance issues. Is there a site that list which addon's are performing poorly? There should be such a site that helps users find out what toolbars they should/should not install. I find it hard to handle that with one hand, you tell us to install addons to fix IE (e.g. Inline find-as-you-type addons, Address Bar fixers, etc.) and with the other you blindly indicate that some toolbars have issues! Obviously any of the spyware toolbars will do horrible things for performance: Hello: Alexa, AllTheWeb, BonziBuddy, MySearch, MyWebSearch, AnythingWithAnimatedCursors_Bar, ?DashBar?, ZToolbar, UCmore XP - The Search Accelerator, YourSiteBar, etc. but how are we to know which other ones have issues?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Very nice Dean! Glad to see the next version of the browser is still in the works!
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December 10, 2007
Ha.. my to umiemy mieszać nazwami, numerami wersji. Oczywiście wymieniona w tytule wersja to nie następca
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Great! Will we be seeing SVG support in IE8?
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
@Anti-add-on: "the natural assumption for IE problems my MSFT people is buggy add-ons" We base this assessment on the crash reports submitted by users, and thus far, everyone I've sent to www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp has reported that running in No Add-ons Mode has resolved their problem. The Add-ons I know, use, and trust are listed here: http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/essentials.asp.
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Hopefully full SVG support is implemented then in the IE8, lets wait and see.
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
IEight ??? or simply iQuit
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
@ EricLaw [MSFT] "The Add-ons I know, use, and trust are listed here: http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/essentials.asp." Eric... something that caught my attention on that site http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/bugs.asp = 13 bugs.. but you provide the following link... http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/ Oh.. surprise (I don't think so really) there are much more that those 13 bugs... I know how Jeff Jones can say IE is more secure than FF.. "fewer security vulnerabilities needed fixing in Internet Explorer than in the competition"... You cannot fix what you don't know or recognize as a bug to fix. BTW... I see that EnhanceIE is a personal effort... It would be really nice to see this kind of bug tracking and dev feedback in the hands of MSFT. PS: Check http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enhanceie.com%2Fie%2Fessentials.asp&warning=1&profile=css21&usermedium=all and http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enhanceie.com%2Fie%2Fessentials.asp&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Give it any stupid features you want to, and feel free to ignore standards compliance - you will anyway. And I couldn't be happier. Every time you guys release another browser version it guarantees me at least a year's worth of small contract jobs fixing all my previous clients websites which suddenly start "breaking". Now That's Job Security!
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Could the guys who posted here(http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx#6673113) and here (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx#6691008) talk with the guy who posted here (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx#6698008)? Either this "dev div" group knows what it's doing on the internet or it doesn't...
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
that last link should have been... http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx#6675302
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Does anyone else see the irony in this comment? http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx#6709631 WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY (repeat 5 times) <...> we've been made to wait like children long enough! WE ARE EXPECTING A POST ON MONDAY (repeat 5 more times) aren't you going to ask if we're there yet, or threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue, or say you'll close your eyes until the someone disappears and then we'll all be sorry?
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December 10, 2007
my contribution to the name suggestions: Internet Exploer Eight My Homework
Anonymous
December 10, 2007
IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet (the marketing team really pushed for this one :-D, funny:)
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December 10, 2007
Why not call it firefox? At least then I may use it by mistake... As for features, will it leak memory and be insecure or are you dropping backward compatibility?
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December 10, 2007
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Anonymous
December 10, 2007
Just call it Firefox and outsource the development to Mozilla. Problem solved.
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December 11, 2007
Anyone thought of calling it, "Imnotasgoodasfirefox. V8"
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Just how long do we have to wait for MS to respond to the "Bombardment"(1) of comments on this (and the last) post? You've heard everything on the last 2 weeks worth of comments before, except for the new level of disgust with the complete lack of transparency. Full Opacity doesn't translate into happy developers... where is Steve Balmer to tell us that it is all about the DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS! (for anyone that might possibly have missed it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsByyqazF0 I don't think that any reader of this blog is out of order to expect information. Stop keeping us in the dark! Even something that can't possibly be a "secret", like the prompt dialog being fixed! http://webbugtrack.blogspot.com/2007/10/bug-109-javascript-prompt-in-ie-how-did.html Please tell me that this hideous thing has been fixed! Un-patiently waiting for any information! morgan (1) credit to Dave Massy for summing up the status on this.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
> Full Opacity doesn't translate into happy > developers... Try CSS: opacity: 0 .... wait IE does not support that, of course.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
i know it's already been said...but hopefully if it gets said enough MS might finally listen. give us a fully standards compliant browser, PLEASE! and by standards compliant, i don't mean microsoft standards. those obviously don't work....ever
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Offtopic: Virtual PC images for IE6 and IE7 just expired! Please generate new ones!
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
The feature set seems to match that year.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
What about iIE or iExplorer (Think Different) ? :-p
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
@psz, If you'd bother to check before just posting a complaint, you'd see that they had already posted new images. Just because they didn't post a blog about it, doesn't mean that the new images haven't been released.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
IE 10. Oops, sorry, did the math in Excel. ;-)
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
@Jeff, when psz posted the images were not there. Then again, just because MS doesn't post about IE8, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! Or, maybe, it was only getting some attention for the last 12 months... then when Bill Gates came out and indicated that it was on the horizon, the IE team dove into action trying to decide what is going on with IE now. I can only presume that this is the case, or they would have posted some info after such a backlash from the online community about how the statements made about transparency, and commitment to regular releases and involving the dev community with bug tracking etc. To say I'm disappointed with the IE Teams delivery of ANY information about IE8 and all the above mentioned items would be a severe understatement. Not pleased in the slightest.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
I love that the IE team has a sense of humour about it all - most of these commenters obviously don't. Though I am constantly "doing battle" with IE6 and CSS, I concede that for a company that hadn't released a browser in six years, the IE team did a pretty decent clean-up with IE7. I eagerly await the release and eventual adoption of IE8 for compatibility issues, but I'm happy with IE7.
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December 11, 2007
Will it be as standard compliant as Opera or Firefox? Will it help clean the world of HTML mess?
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Stop it. Just stop. You're killing the Web with Internet Explorer by wasting every developer's time and money. Please replace Trident (MSHTML) with the rendering engine used by Microsoft Expression Web.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
In case you don't get it, IE dev team, we absolutely WANT you to break the Internet in order to help achieve future compatibility with other browsers. This has the advantage of saving companies money. While IE is responsible for a fair bit of job security, as someone mentioned many comments ago, it is also taking away from company profits because some of the profits are used solely to fix IE problems. As a result, some businesses that want to go global cannot do so because of the sheer amount of profit lost each time their Web site needs to be updated. So I ask you: could you please break the Internet to help EVERYONE in the future? If you don't, you'll keep the end-users happy while frustrating developers and taking away from other companies' profits, even those not in the same industry as Microsoft. Those are my 2¢.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
By the way, in terms of standards compliance,... http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top Open the above link with the following browsers:

Microsoft Internet Explorer
Mozilla Firefox
Opera
Maxthon
Apple Safari Now see for yourself which browser renders the page correctly. It should look like this... http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/reference.html

Anonymous
December 11, 2007
be it IE8 or IE++ , i just hope it can support the proper CSS. And try not make your own. There are sets of standards to be followed.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
I only hope that it will be web standards compliant. Then I will use again IE or whatever you are planning to call it.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Why contribute to W3C and the like when your development goes the opposite direction of your "advocations". Is your role with the W3C and "web standards" just a marketing ploy?
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
This is probably going to be another "excellent" app that will continue Microsoft's well thought strategy to use Office's html engine.
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Internet Explore is too old fashion. Why not come up with a total different name? So much bad press about IE, it's time for a fresh new name!
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Decent support for CSS2/CSS3 would be good - help lead the way rather than hinder web design
Anonymous
December 11, 2007
Decent support for CSS2/CSS3 would be good - help lead the way rather than hinder web design
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December 12, 2007
Er, why on earth would MS be interested in making a standard compliant browser? It's better for them to use internet transport, but propriatory software to browse. THat way, everyone still has to buy MS... See Silverlight - it doesn't need a browser to run, and to develop for it, you'll need to... buy a MS product! Don't think that Adobe haven't got the same plan though! Stick with firefox it's our last best hope...
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
Really cool idea (honesty): Internet ExploDer !! my 2 cents.
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
There's probably no chance that anyone will ever see my comment, because there is just too much of them, but anyway... I would call it "IE ∞" :-)
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
I'm surprised you didn't think of the obvious: IE Vista
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
Will it finally be W3C compliant and leave all the funny stuff to the children??
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
Cade o Brasil Aki? õ/ Mas : IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet Foi Engraçado! Hehehe
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December 12, 2007
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December 12, 2007
If you won't deliver a real standards-compliant browser, then please, don't even bother. The development community is still trying to find all the workarounds necessary to make IE7 behave like its saner competitors, and we don't need the added burden of another version of the rendering engine with all-new bugs. Forget CSS3. If you can't deliver full CSS1 and most of CSS2, just declare victory, pack your things and go work on Silverlight. Please.
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December 12, 2007
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December 12, 2007
Will it have SYNC installed? I saw that on tv for cars. I want to talk to the browser and tell it what to do. Please? B
Anonymous
December 12, 2007
@KillBillv8.0: We keep requesting it because each time someone says it, it's another vote for them to do it. No-one is going to spend significant resources if only a couple people want a feature (set). Obviously, the masses have spoken, but it still doesn't hurt for more to add there name in case it's still not enough.
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December 12, 2007
I'm not sure I even care anymore. In the unlikely event that you guys actually man up and start caring about your users (devs included), I'd like to put my vote in for CSS compliance up to 2.1, decent JS engine and then, only when you have managed the aforementioned two, maybe SVG support or CSS3. Then again, judging by the not-so-reassuring commentary from billg it'll probably turn out to be IE Weaksauce. Again.
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
IE6 has gathered dust and shown people the worst of browsers. IE7 was another disappointing, not supporting web development standards. Let's hope that IE8 is a drastic improvement. It might take several years for people to update from IE6 and IE7 still, but they'll get there. For now Safari is taking us on a new path!!!
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
considering the fact that IE is quite the opposite of FireFox, I suggest: Ice Elephant
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
"and maybe if Opera wakes up and makes their browser standard compliant" (~fALk) ... What ? O_o
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
From what I'm seeing here, the IE dev team has split the users and the developers from each other. The developers don't want to code for IE anymore (and some, in fact, don't). Then there is the issue of the user end, where an IE user goes to a page that is broken, but sees it looking good in another browser (whether he/she knows it is another browser or not) and curses the author of the page because it doesn't work in his/her browser. In other words, there are two choices - keep developers happy and make users angry or keep users happy and make developers (and sometimes companies if they are well-informed) angry. Obviously keeping compatibility for users and trying to make the browser more standards-compliant for developers won't work. You already attempted it in IE7, and that introduced NEW bugs. And when we say "break" the Web, it won't actually break it. Otherwise, alternative browsers wouldn't be very popular would they? My idea for a plan: You should keep a tag-soup parser, but also make sure that you keep a separate strict parser as well. Then choose a CSS standard to adhere to (I'd personally go with CSS 2.1 since it is at the CR stage), and create a CSS engine based on that. You might also optionally support some CSS3 things, though they really shouldn't be a top priority. Oh yeah... Can you vote twice in this? I really would like standards-compliance! ^_^
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
The reason developers dont want to code for IE is because we all have to make fixes to make it work....it works perfectly in ALL browsers, except IE. Take a look at my site (linked above)...its messed up in IE7 but is perfect in all others. Go figure!
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
So, 500+ comments, 1 week, no official post. Thanks for not listening guys, keep it up, it's very effective judging by these comments.
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
Getting sued by Opera over non-standards compliance means something, eh?
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
@fALk: Do your homework. Opera IS standards compliant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_browser#Standards_support @Rob: Opera isn't suing. They're asking the EU Commission to tack something on to what they are already doing because it is very related to what's currently happening. Hopefully, the EU Commission will listen.
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
@Reid: Opera is failing in the marketplace (Firefox, Safari, AND IE are crushing them) and hence they're back to trying anything they can to get coverage in the media. It's not the first time that they've done something stupid just to get any press... Their CEO promised to swim the Atlantic a while back... http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=12100B4AGUD7 Maybe if they should work harder on getting 9.5 out the door?
Anonymous
December 13, 2007
@Dan: Opera's "stunt", if you prefer to call it that, in no way detracts from the truth of the matter.
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December 14, 2007
With all the responders joining together like this, it wouldn't seem too difficult to form a developers union of some kind. Hmm.
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
Never mind IE8, I am still waiting for the version of IE6 that is worth the name.
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
please, please please, for the love of pete, support css 3 and png transparencies. transparent gif's are way too ugly. and if possible, through in support for safari's webkit.
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December 14, 2007
The talk about IE8 makes me hope that IE6 will disappear sooner. I wish Microsoft would market IE7 in a stronger manner, and abandon the non-standard IE6.
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
I'll add something else to the big wish list: proper PNG display (less dark than they currently are in IE).
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
Stifu: Just remove the GAMA chunks. Your images will be smaller, download faster, and will render the same way across all browsers.
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
Option Of The Unthinkable: Boycott Internet Explorer
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
How about IE Ate (my hard drive)? As a hobby level personal site coder, is there any chance IE6 will be patched to handle 24 bit PNG alpha transparency? I don;t know where else to ask. :-(
Anonymous
December 14, 2007
Fred: thanks for the tip ! Quiet Desperation: I guess your best bet is: http://www.twinhelix.com/css/iepngfix/
Anonymous
December 15, 2007
IE 7+1 IE VIII IE 1000 (think binary) IE Eight! iIE IE for Web 2.0 (Service Pack 2) IE Desktop Online Web Browser Live Professional Ultimate Edition for the Internet (the marketing team really pushed for this one ;-) Ie2.079 (we might still use this fo
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December 15, 2007
IE8 Should Not Consitrate on the New Look, They should consitrate on Better Support like CSS and HTML. Why not having that on 7.5.
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December 16, 2007
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December 16, 2007
Being in the same room with Bill Gates, while it wasn't breathtakingly nerve-wracking (he is, after
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December 16, 2007
Why dont you tery and get IE7 working properly with CSS first, before you make IE V1000034950456077800 Because we dont like it :)
Anonymous
December 16, 2007
It seems that self-deprecating humour is not appreciated. The IE team should adopt a really awkward code name so that they can get a cool product name just like WPF/e Silverlight. This Internet thing could get really big some day.
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December 16, 2007
Wow .. the follow-up to IE7 is called IE8. Earth-shattering news
Anonymous
December 16, 2007
Please comply with web standards, that is the only feature ie8 needs....
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
Please, please please please please. Do the decent thing and take IE out of the operating system. When it gets hacked, you can't easily fix it like you could with an installable browser. Also, its completely unfair of you to use your OS monopoly to force people to use your substandard browser.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
Yes, separating IE from the OS would be very nice... There is some problem with my IE6 (I mean, an extra issue on top of the other known ones), which makes it so I can't update to IE7 at all on my Windows XP SP2 - the installation just fails every time. I read all the related troubleshooting pages on the Microsoft site, but nothing worked. Actually, now my IE6 won't even load any page anymore (but even back when it worked, IE7 still couldn't be installed). Whenever I try to open an URL with it, it opens Firefox and loads the site in it, while IE6 just stays blank... But I can still use IE6 through Maxthon.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
I'm sure I'm missing something enormously obvious, but why does MS need to develop its own brand of browser any more? The days when MSIE was the only game in town are gone. The argument always put forward is that MS must cater for legacy old-school sites that were built in a non-standards way, and therefore any browser development must embrace that. Well, the solution (at least, IMHO, from the point of view of web developers) would seem obvious: Retire IE and license one of the others (Firefox, Opera, or Safari I guess). Keep IE7 as an install(ed) option in Windows so that users can, if they really need to, continue to see old, badly built sites as the designers intended, but make it clear that it is now a legacy product, and that MS recommend going forward using a newer, more standards-compliant browser. Surely the license costs would be offset by no longer having to fund a development team for IE. The licensed browser, in turn, would benefit from the licensing funds and developers would be able to tell clients "We no longer code for IE6/7 because it is now considered a legacy product and MS no longer recommend its use for on-going web use." No doubt there are enormous political business reasons why MS would never adopt this solution, but it makes sense to me. In short, they'd be keeping one 'old' product available to support the 'broken' web, yet also be making a clean break that would allow forward progress in a standards compliant way. 2¢.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
please make IE8 w3c dom compilant
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
I've noticed some of the extreme frustration by IE developers here. Instead of embarrassing yourselves by pleading with the IE Team, you should start coding to rocket-fast Acid2-compliant browsers like Opera v9.5 beta. That would get Dean's attention fast. The only thing any MS product manager ever paid attention to is obvious: market share trends. Period. Note that the only reason for IE7 was market share drop.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
Not sure where one requests features for the next release, but I want to make the case for allowing client script to open a new,tabbed, browser window (which it can do in ie7) and then open and populate additional tabs in it. I would be satisfied with being able to read a good explanation of why not to do it. All I have read so far is "user should control where to open new tabs" which does not make sense. If I can open a new tab in a new window, why not an additional tab in a new window that you let me open. I don't care if the user vetos my ability to do that, but I do care when ie vetos it and there is no way for the user to override the veto and allow it.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
Not sure new comments will be seen at this point, but... Support for embedded ICC profiles in images would be a great help. Obviously professional photographers have noticed this problem for years (Google "embedded ICC profile" "Internet Explorer" and you'll see what I mean.) However, we are starting to see interesting web applications that could be enabled by support for embedded ICC profiles in images. Firefox has started development on this feature. best regards, Matt
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
How about a customizable UI much like IE6... they just forced IE7 on us at work (use FF at home) and I'm about a year too late on this bandwagon.
Anonymous
December 17, 2007
I hope that some day you will support all standard features because i'm getting tired to use workarounds just to get a page to show up properly in IE. After all i want to use HTML, not Microsoft HTML.
Anonymous
December 18, 2007
I hope IE8 has something to get excited about, like supporting most of the subset of new features that have been implemented in all 3 main competitors Firefox/Safari/Opera. I think what I dislike most about IE7 is its user interface. It's too bulky, with no way to slim it down. In Firefox I have everything on a single bar. The menus, small navigation buttons, address bar, and search bar all fit nicely on a single row.
Anonymous
December 18, 2007
@Ted Cohen: "Not sure where one requests features for the next release" Please do NOT post them to this blog, all comments on this blog are ignored. There is a site called IE Feedback where you can submit your bugs or feature requests to. http://ohWaitWeToreItDownBecauseTheNumber.ofBugsFarOutNumberedTheFixesInIE7.com/ I should re-phrase. IE used to have a mechanism for this however MS decided lowering their Public Image in the Dev Community was a better approach rather than fixing issues or admitting that they exist. gill
Anonymous
December 18, 2007
Come on, guys & gals. The IE team know how much we all want information and (more urgently) standards compliance. It should be obvious why they wrote this: while they don't feel quite ready to make a fuller disclosure, they want us (developers) to know that they are working on it, and that they take us seriously. To throw in some humour, and even irony, was a smart move, and I wish that we had rewarded their communicativeness and affability with a little grace. As for the few who appear to think that this was a serious post, perhaps I could suggest a swift education in deadpan humour? :) IE Team, we look forward to hearing good news, so throw some this way as soon as you can! Code tight, hope the bugs don't bite.
Anonymous
December 18, 2007
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Anonymous
December 19, 2007
Intially in 1998-2002 I sed to used different Internet Browser; and used to write code looking through
Anonymous
December 19, 2007
"Don't misinterpret silence for inaction." That's what Dean Hachamovitch, GM of the IE Team, said in
Anonymous
December 19, 2007
Microsoft is currently in the middle of the process of creating the next generation Microsoft web browser, with the fantastic name - Internet Explorer 8. A few days ago, the IE team reports, the inter...
Anonymous
December 19, 2007
I like IE8. Can't wait for it to come out!
Anonymous
December 19, 2007
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December 19, 2007
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Anonymous
December 20, 2007
Okay... I know it's definitely slower than most folks would like it to be, but the curtain is slowly
Anonymous
December 28, 2007
Its finally over... Netscape pulled the plug yesterday on its browsers. Announced on a post on its official
Anonymous
January 13, 2008
Как известно, восьмая версия IE названа IE8, что в полне предсказуемо. А вот названия, которые были в
Anonymous
January 16, 2008
Last night, Ron presented to the Memphis .NET Users Group .  The talk began with the improved administrative
Anonymous
January 16, 2008
Last night, Ron presented to the Memphis .NET Users Group .  The talk began with the improved administrative
Anonymous
February 26, 2008
So did you get an invite already? http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx
Anonymous
February 26, 2008
So did you get an invite already? http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/05/internet-explorer-8.aspx
Anonymous
March 29, 2008
Sorry for the lack of updates on my blog lately. But in the famous words of Dean Hachamovitch : “please
Anonymous
July 03, 2008
The Good: Microsoft will be releasing Internet Explorer 8 to render content in its most standards-compliant
Anonymous
October 23, 2008
Mozilla, Firefox 3 ile bomba gibi geliyorum diye dursun... Internet Explorer 8, Acid2 testini bile geçiyorum desin... Windows ortamında bir rakip, sessizce kalpleri feth etmeye başlıyor. Kim mi? Safari! Çoğu kişinin tepkisini tahmin edebiliyorum. Taht
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