IE7 beta 1 – A few details…

Artykuł
04/22/2005

We’ve heard some great feedback on what web developers would like to see in IE7, both from the responses to my last post and from the resources I referred to. The rest of the team was cranking away while I was away on parental leave, and I wanted to share a few details about what they were doing: The first couple of things they’ve done are:

Support the alpha channel in PNG images. We’ve actually had this on our radar for a long time, and have had it supported in the code for a while now. We have certainly heard the clear feedback from the web design community that per-pixel alpha is a really important feature.
Address CSS consistency problems. Our first and most important goal with our Cascading Style Sheet support is to remove the major inconsistencies so that web developers have a consistent set of functionality on which they can rely. For example, we have already checked in the fixes to the peekaboo and guillotine bugs documented at positioniseverything.net so use of floated elements become more consistent.

We’re doing a lot more than this in IE7, of course, and we’re really excited that the beta release is almost here - we’re looking forward to the feedback when we release the first beta of IE7 this summer. Stay tuned for more details as we get closer to beta.

-Chris Wilson

Comments

Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Chris,

Can't begin to tell you how much I am looking forward to this. I hope it is everything that we all hope for and maybe more. Keep it up.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What about tabs: http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2005/04/10/406971.aspx

:)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fantastic! I can't wait!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Chris - any idea when we might see the first beta?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Awesome!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Web designers have clamored for it for years, since they saw what you could do with PNG images' multi-level transparency (now available in every major browser except Internet Explorer, and several minor ones). It's been speculated on for months, and r...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thank-you.

Thanks for a bit of openness.

I'm very glad that PNG support is finally coming.

Now we just have to wait another five years so that even "old" machines will be able to render them.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yippee! From this post on the IE blog it appears that catching up to standards will be a priority in the next version of IE! Support the alpha channel in PNG images. We’ve actually had this on our radar for...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can there be any better news at the end of the day?? :)

Thanks guys! Keep rocking!

JD
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will missing CSS 2.1 properties also be added to IE7 or is the goal for IE7 to basically only remove bugs in already supported CSS properties?
I like the openness of this blog too!
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How does IE7 handle the Acid2 test? Hopefully better than IE6.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Sounds great, but please please make security settings less confusing and less numerous. I want at most 5 options on the security screen, not the endless amounts of radio buttons currently that have uninformative names. It makes it extremely difficult to tell exactly how safe IE is. I especially would like ActiveX disabled by default.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Support the alpha channel in PNG images."

"we have already checked in the fixes to the peekaboo and guillotine bugs"

Thanks and please keep more concrete statements like these coming ;)

Tom
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good to hear! I don't think there's anyone who's not excited about this next release of IE.

"Address CSS consistency problems."

I find this a little muddled - are you saying that the many, many CSS bugs IE 6 has are simply 'inconsistencies' (in which case why not just call them bugs and be done with it - that's what they are, after all) or are you saying that there are inconsistencies across browsers (no-thanks to poor standards support + bugs)?

I know it must be frustrating always having web-developers jump down your throats, but we've all fought long and hard with IE and would love to see the end of bugs, as well as this very odd picking and choosing of features out of what is supposed to be a standard.

By the time all this information is disclosed, I hope we'll be able to summerize it as "IE7 to have full CSS 2.1 support!"

Also, it would be nice to know future plans for IE - as in, will we be doing this all over again? Waiting around 5 years for any hint of upgrades to the rendering engine... How about yearly or biannually updates?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
With the recent mention that IE7 will have proper alpha-PNG support, I predict that we will see an explosion of creativity in web site designs. I've been pondering this in some of the recent design work that I've seen come...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
you guys rock - thanks for the update!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Chris Wilson talks IE7 details on the "official" IEBlog. In brief:

Microsoft has fixed IE's PNG support...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Awaits inevitable Slashdotting...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fantastic news! The best news I've gotten in weeks, actually. One question - have you, or will you, fix the problem where margins on floated elements are doubled? That one gets me every time.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I really, really, really hope you guys are looking into JPEG 2000. It's been completely hindered due to the lack of support in IE. It's a great format!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Whoops, one more post :-) I love the fact your addressing Alpha PNG and CSS - nice work!

Make sure you don't work around the Photoshop PNG "double alpha bug" (where photoshop saved pngs become darker). If you provide a fix for that in IE Adobe will never fix it and PNGs will forever remain broken :(

Someone's post here about security settings reminded me of my biggest IE pet peeve - simple "dont nag me" settings will change your security setting from "medium" to "custom"!! Clicking the "don't nag me when i submit a form" shouldn't change the security setting! :-)

It's even more aggrivating when other apps read the custom setting (ie/ baseline analyser) and tell me I'm not secure! :( Hiding UI dialog boxes has nothing to do with the security of the browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dave Hyatt's blogging of his fixes to meet the Acid2 test in Safari are generating a lot of buzz. If you want Web Developers to get excited about IE again, you should be doing something similar.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/

IE is perceived as the new Netscape 4 - a drag on web development that is too widely deployed to ignore.

Blogging progress like this would be a great way to counteract that impression before IE7's launch.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Off-topic: I think the IE team deserves a big round of applause. Not for IE 7, but for being open and for listening to all feedback (most of it negative and in a very aggressive tone). This came to my mind while reading the comments to the last few posts and comparing them to the comments readers used to post when this blog appeared. I'm sure IE 7 will be fine on the technical side, but it's fantastic that the team is so open to conversation with outside rant providers :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Funny thing is, PNG support will do more for Microsofts efforts to get people to upgrade than everything else combined.

Its a visual, in your face, reason to upgrade - and thats all people need, a belief that someone else is getting something better than they are.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's great! Will you also post screenshots in the near future?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And here is the link to the test just in case you can't find it:

http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html

Wouldn't it be great if Microsoft could say they pass the test 100%. I bet a load of developers would have a lot more faith in MS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I tried submitting this to Slashdot but got rejected. Hopefully, this means that someone has submitted it before me - and not that Slashdot does not want to hear good things about IE
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The MSIE team writes about IE7 Beta 1, and some of the fixes it will include
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am glad that IE7 will have png alpha channel support and CSS fixes. This is several good steps in the right direction.

The problem is that IE7 will only be available to a subset of all Windows users and it will take a very long time before the majority of users will have a browser with proper CSS and PNG support.

I think that Microsoft have mistreated their customers by abandoing IE for years. People that calls this "fantastic" needs to open their eyes. Their reaction is like applauding a student for delivering a paper several years too late.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It is nice to have some specific information about your progress for a change. Keep the changes and the reports coming.

I will not bother with a list of suggestions for you to address next since you are doubtless aware of many issues already, but just in case I never mentioned this one specific item to you before, I would very much like to see bookmarks with titles that are not dependent upon the underlying file system (i.e. unable to use characters that are special to the file system).
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PNG transparency support. It makes me think of those ads Apple released when Windows95 came out saying "Now with more than 8 characters long filename : wow, imagine that".

Guys, you're fighting an uphill battle. Good luck !
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Very good! PNG alpha is a real pain at the moment. My top wishes would be:
* position:fixed
* generated content

Hope you can get to those...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Definitely good news for developers. I am of course, hopeful that more CSS/Standards Compliance fixes are being planned, too.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
After 7 years of flaming, cursing, moaning and petitioning, now only MS supports PNG alpha? ROFLMAO. And only on XP SP2, 2k3 SP1 and XP64, Win2k users are shafted and given the raw deal as usual.

Firefox still is the better web browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm very glad to hear that you're finally going to add some of the features that have been in dozens of other browsers for years.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just one more enthusiastic comment. I'm really glad to learn that you are working on the CSS bugs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A promising post on the IE Blog hints at some of the features (or &ldquo;fixes,&rdquo; depending on your point of view) to expect in IE7. It looks like some of the CSS inconsistencies are going to be addressed, along with...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If IE7 is released after W3C releases the CSS3 guidelines, is there any chance that spec will be supported? Or will we have to wait another few years before IE catches up again?

I'm not being sarcastic, just weary. Hoping against hope.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Very cool!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope we will see a robust download manager included that keeps a history of downloads, allows downloads to be paused and resumed, etc. I'm looking forward to these enhancements to IE 7, as I remain an IE user for speed and "pages just working" unlike much of the competition. However, I do seek greater functionality, so I use shells like Maxthon and Avant over top IE.

Thanks MS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Anyone else on IE 6 seeing the dash - and the ellipsis ... in the <title> of this post as unreadable characters?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Are you going to finish the implementation of HTML to INCLUDE ALL THE ELEMENTS from the W3 recommendation (including the Q element) ????????

It was written in 1999 -- don't you think it's about time to support HTML ???

** HTML -- the new killer web feature **
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Chris, would it be possible get IE to render this test properly:

http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html

It messes it up pretty badly. Firefox makes a few mistakes too through. If you can get IE to render it properly, IE will have surpassed Firefox in at least one area of CSS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
By the way, there is a guide that you can read if you need help figuring out what is wrong:

http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/guide.html
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No, not this one, this one. Weve actually had this on our radar for a long time, and have had it supported in the code for a while now. We have certainly heard the clear feedback from the web design community that per-pixel alpha is a really important feature. I commend Microsoft for listening to their customers, and hope they will continue to do so when they hear calls for full CSS 2.1 support. :-)...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't wait! Just want to know, this will be a public beta, right?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Mozilla Firefox already does this. So what's the news?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yeah, when WaSP explicitly says "Although Acid2 was inspired by Microsoft's announcement of IE7, it is not targeted at a specific browser." I think it would be pretty rude for the IE team to ignore it all together ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will all the CSS problems/features described at http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ work without any additional code? Without those scripts, precisely? If yes, IE7 is the best progress ever made in IE... By the way. Take a look at FireFox's speed. It's amazingly fast and that's its argument. What about IE7?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PNG is great for imaging, but the main thing IE lacks as far as layout features is true fixed positioning. Any chance we will be seeing this? As long as it remains unavailable, frames will be with us.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just for those who didn't know.
Besides the alphaimageloader filter there is already an easy way to have PNG Alpha expressed in IE6:

Use a VML container!
Above URL has examples.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could you add support for W3C DOM Events? Or at least, the addEventListner() method from DOM Events? You already have most of the code ready for this, since attachEvent() is nearly the same...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please tell me you've fixed this bug (Tableless, CSS, divs, <dl> for the list:)
IE: http://img260.echo.cx/img260/2184/ierenderbug19qu.png
Correct (Gecko): http://img245.echo.cx/img245/8337/ierenderbug24ac.png
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm glad to see progress is being made on the new browser. Keep up the good work!

Some things I would love to see in IE7 are:

1. Tabs. FireFox and Mozilla have these and they work beautifully.

2. Skins

3. Better security.

Can you8 guys comment on any of these? Especially tabs.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope IE7 is going to be an acceptable browser, as opposed to IE6 which has been unacceptable for years now.
I wish MS would realize that bundling the browser in the OS (and thus forcing its predominance) does not allow their browser to be the worst browser in the market (behind Safari, Opera, FireFox and Netscape) both in terms of features, and in terms of CSS support.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't actually see the point of people here demanding a tabbed interface: if you really that, use a browser that has it already.

The MAJOR problem is with users who don't know or care about the other browsers with better support of specifications such as CSS and XHTML. Because MSIE currently lets us down in this regard, yet has a major market share, the development of websites becomes very complicated, frustrating and costly as you try to wrangle an acceptable functionality and appearance with multiple browsers. I urge MS to focus primarily on supporting CSS and XHTML according to the W3C specifications so that the development of websites becomes a much easier process. If, as you have made obvious in the past, that you are not happy with the spec, then consider carefully about how you deviate from it--asking in open discussions and participating with the W3C to voice issues is much better than simply releasing a browser with random items of the spec omitting, altered, broken or extended.

Finally, if IE7 does indeed evolve to be a far superior browser, then we need your assistance in migrating the market share from v6 to v7 is quickly as possible; the benefit of having new features, or bugs resolved, is quite undone if the transition from IE6 and IE7 is slow and having to support both becomes another complication to designing sites.

(XHTML: one major requqest is allowing the xml prolog and http header AND retaining compliant rendering mode)
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As for the CSS bug fixes: do you just force 'hasLayout' in those situations, or is it more than just a workaround in your codebase?
I, like Dean Edwards, just have the feeling that patching up the 'ol Trident engine will simply not cut it in the long run (that is if you ever plan on supporting current standards).
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How about cross-platform support.

We have customers (government agencies and academic customers) with various unixes (at least Solaris and Linux); and we really don't want to have to support different browsers. That basically leaves us with FireFox as our only option; though most of our Windows users would certainly prefer to stay with IE.

Any chance you can release Linux and Solaris versions of IE7?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nice for everyone who still uses IE. Two excuses less to not use it. But still a long way to go to be any competition to the fastest and safest browser. Good job anyway! Keep it up!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please also don't forget to remove support for non-standard CSS stuff like the scrollbar colrs... I've had so many people tell me that they knew that older versions of IE were bad for their computer's health, but wouldn't switch because their websites wouldn't show nonstandard stuff in a standardized browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just a quick thing about PNG support, have you also fixed the problem where PNGs aren't coming out with the right gamma settings? They always seemed a bit dark when compared with JPEGs of the same image.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's going to be interesting to see if IE7 will be better than other browsers!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please, please please tell me you are NOT adding any kind of "tabbed browsing" to IE7.

Years of consistent user interface research don't need to be flushed down the toilet because of a couple whiners using inferior opensource browsers. Microsoft/IE team, don't give in to the stupidity! SDI forever.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
SLASHDOTTING IMMINENT!!!!

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/05/04/23/2053232.shtml?tid=113&tid=95&tid=1&tid=8
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, after reading this IE 7 report over at the IEBlog, it appears the new IE 7 is already having proper PNG support as well as working on fixing the peekaboo bug and the guillotine bug. About time! The PNG...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Those bug fixes are certainly going to make life a lot easier. I'm looking forward to the day I can finally stop using the IE7 JavaScripts to make things work properly under IE; not least because they don't work in appear to work in the 64-bit version of IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
BRACE FOR IMPACT!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"How does IE7 handle the Acid2 test? Hopefully better than IE6.

Mike"

LOL, well, anything else would be disastrous for the web community.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Look into fixing problems with persistent connections dieing, then future requests not loading properly.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When will we see a donwload manager ?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is there any possible way that IE could possibly be divorced from the OS itself and be a separate, installable package on its own? While it is nice to have a web browser installed with the OS, personally, I'd rather not have it deal with the shell or the system at all - or even better, how about making it non-executable when the user has root priviliges except for Windows Update? That would stop a LOT of security problems.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd strongly advise you to get your coders including full CSS 2.1 support otherwise you'll be left for dead by Firefox.

I'd love to see Firefox overtake IE as the market leader but I'd much prefer to be able to code to standards and see my HTML/CSS displayed as intended in every browser.

It really can't be too much too ask, MS has wasted so much of my precious development time when I'm fixing stupid rendering bugs - it makes me so annoyed. :(
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Something i'd personally really appreciate in addition to the above mentioned improvements would be to allow us to use the :hover, :active etc psuedo-classes as well as complex selectors such as p+p and perhaps stuff like input[type=submit] (I would imagine these would be amongst the least time-consuming fixes that could be made in terms of how much benefit the website development community would get from it).

Thanks,
ptlis
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
well im definatly exited that IE7 will finally have proper PNG suport! I know a lot of creativaty in how web sites look will come from just that alone. As well as the css fixes.

...and if IE7 did have tabbed browsing...then kudos do you. One of my biggest pet-pieves is opening a new page in a new window every time. and i know most of us do like to have 4+ pages going at the same time. ^_^
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://www.cgisecurity.com security news
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Support for the "data" URL scheme as described in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2397.txt would be really great - especially if you're doing HTTPS stuff it can take quite some load from the servers by reducing the number of requests.

If IE7 would include this feature, it could actually be used in real-life applications.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
According to IEBlog, IE7 actually supports alpha channel transparency in PNG images.

Good to hear, but what took so long? PNG transparency has been around for years and years and is so much better than GIF transparency.

Welcome to the Modern Browser
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please, PLEASE make the browser more standards compliant! Developing for standards compliant browsers is never a problem for me, the bottleneck allways is IE and it's lackluster support for standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE needs an anonymous browsing feature (IP HTTP spoofing/rerouting) where no one can trace your browsing habits. This applies to banking and other activies concerning privacy.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well i am very happy to see IE7 building.As an end user i would like to give some suggestion what i am expecting from IE7. I have come to know that IE7 will be having tabbed support. Well thats a good thing. I would also like to see a find as you type feature as it is alredy there is firefox(as i have used it and not sure about others). One feature i havent seen in any Browser which is built in is Spell check/ Thesaurus as in word. It would be easy to lookup a meaning for a word which is shown in the page.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't see why everyone is excited; EVERY feature that is being attempted here is simply to copy existing browsers.

Sigh I cannot believe have I wasted my time reading this entry.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>Any chance you can release Linux and Solaris versions of IE7?

And please add Windows 95 and 98... and if not already planned Windows 2000.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can I still make a feature request? Aim for CSS 3.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How about sorting out images so that they render with the correct colours? A full 8 RGB values off actual is not conducive to clean, seamless page design...
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's already been mentioned, but I want to underscore that position:fixed would be very nice.

Thanks for the opportunity to be heard, and the feedback on progress!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One thing that IE still lacks is a good download manager, We really need a download manager that can pause downloads and start again, all the people in the world don't have blazing fast connection, so a download manager would be a great thing to add.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I love how when a blog posting here is "Slashdotted" the maturity level of the comments immediately drops to the 1st grade level.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why can't microsoft bring out a browser like firefox or opera. I think the trick in getting out of this bad reputation for IE is to design better security for the browser - and for that microsoft has to delink the browser from the operating system.
Also there is no harm in including features that other browsers have implemented and which have been well recieved. Like tabbed browsing for instance.
Just my two bits.
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http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
welcome to 1998! i'm glad you decided to join the party!
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PNG alpha and CSS improvements are fine. I'd like to see full compliance with the CSS 2.1 standard, as well as tabbed browsing. Any chance that we see something like the EXTENSIONS on Firefox? Good luck with your work.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will max-width be supported? That is the only item that stops me from using fluid design. So much talk about fluid vs. fix width design. If I use fluid design the site often does not look good on a large monitor. Imagine having a fluid design that also looks good on a large monitor due to support for max-width. That would be great.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
yawn
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please also implement proper XHTML support by
1. Not enter quirks mode when using <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> in the XHTML1.0/1.1 doctype. That would be a big support for recommended w3c doctpyes.
2. Allow adding style sheets like this <?xml-stylesheet href="style.css" type="text/css"?>
3. Add the mimetype application/xhtml+xml so that IE can properly use XHTML pages. Also allow .xht and .xhtml extensions
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I keep hearing about IE7 not fully supporting the CSS standard because Microsoft does not agree with it. Frankly, no ones cares if you agree with it or not, stop being childish and just do your job. I can't begin to calculate how many hours I've wasted trying to get around bugs in IE, I'm sure it's well into the hundreds. It is your job to create a browser that is compliant with standards, if you can't do your job, you should be replaced.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wake me when you idiots can come up with a SINGLE innovative idea of your own, instead of fixing bugs from 2001 and adhering to standards that have been around SINCE THE LAST MILLENIA.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can you guys make IE7 have full CSS 2.1 support?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If I asked YOU to wake ME when YOU were one billionth as successful as Microsoft, then they'd I'd be sleeping for the rest of my life.

Take a hike.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Any chance to make <input type="file"> stylable?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just wanted to comment briefly on the PR wording of this post.

As you well know, members of the web community have a lot of animosity toward IE for its bugs and standards compliance issues.

Using terms like "inconsistencies" to refer to issues that are quite clearly bugs doesn't put frustrated people on the IE team's side: geeks see right through PR-speak, and any attempt to smooth over their long-standing frustration generates feelings that are far less positive than using appropriate candor would.

So I think you'd be able to generate much more positive buzz for your hard work on IE7 amongst the web developer community by not attempting to neutralize your words when referring to IE's well-known shortcomings.

In other words, I think this is a case where good PR means crafting words more boldly and frankly than you would for a less specialized audience. As one of those frustrated developers, I would like to feel the IE7 buzz, but it'll take less sugar-coating for me to get on board.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is it at all possible that the next version of IE will support natively SVG?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I volunteer my site for 64-bit beta testing. I have 10,000 ravenous 64-bit users chomping at the bit for this. Please tell that there will be a simultaneous launch for the 64-bit platform! I do not wish to be boiled in oil...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am hoping that it will support JPEG2000 and JPIP - which basically brings enormous benefits to serving images over the internet. The ISO standard has been finslised for both technologies for a while too, so adding it will give IE7 the jump on other web browsers.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I, like many people, really appreciate that you guys are listening to the developer community. I do a lot of aspx dev, and I noticed that, if you have a table cell with only an image in it, IE will pay attention to the white space in the html file. For instance, if you have <img src="..."></td> with no spaces, the cell will be right up against the image; however, if you have <img src="..."> </td> with white space, the cell wall will have a space between itself and the image. As I understand it, the browser should ignore all white-space, and VS 2003 automatically removes this space when you switch from html to design mode. Anyway, unless this was included for a certain reason I am unaware of, this is a small bug. Of course, reading these blogs is very encouraging; I'm looking forward to seeing IE7. - Thanks
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm glad to see work being done. The best list of things which IE7 can work on suporting that I have come across is here: <a href="http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php">http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php</a>. It has everything that I've come across as bugs and some of the new "features" I like to play with in Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a web developer, I'd like to say thanks for adding PNG support and increasing the amount of CSS compliance.

I have a question about images though. Will IE7 have support for SVG?
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January 01, 2003
It's funny how M$ is going to try to silence the Slashdotters by deleting their posts... But those posts speak the truth... This is the kind of language web devs have to resort to in order to be heard, but even still M$ ignores us. We ask M$ questions, they only answer when it is convenient or beneficial to them rather than admit shortcomings...

Even now, the IE team insists that IE6 is the best browser and has the most features and that other browsers are just copycats... PURE FUD!
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January 01, 2003
My favorite CSS feature to have would be support for the max-width tag. Having this in IE would allow me to remove the last vestiges of using tables for layout (since tables are dynamically resizable in a manner that IE 6's CSS isn't)

The reason why there are a lot of childish anti-Microsoft posts here is because this link got posted from http://slashdot.org/ As both a Linux user and a former Microsoft contractor, I find the kinds of trolls Slashdot attracts rather annoying.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"We’ve heard some great feedback on what web developers would like to see in IE7..."

I think you miss the point. Other browsers are succeeding because they provide what users want.

Users want browsers that don't render popups, don't allow Javascript to resize the window or alter the chrome, don't load third-party images or accept third-party cookies, and allow useful control over plug-ins. Many of these goals conflict with those of developers.

Users also want features like tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, flexible bookmarking, better printing, download management and so on, in which developers have no special interest.

If IE wants to regain the buzz from competitors then it needs to take note of users, not web developers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Event delivery in IE 6 is unreliable. Often you get a mouse-in but no mouse-out, etc. Makes doing reliable popup menus a total nightmare. With spiffy new AJAX style apps emerging, you guys need to fix this big time.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Event delivery in IE 6 is unreliable. Often you get a mouse-in but no mouse-out, etc. Makes doing reliable popup menus a total nightmare. With spiffy new AJAX style apps emerging, you guys need to fix this big time.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would not use IE7 even on a stolen computer!
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Great to see you guys tackle CSS implementation bugs. Keep the good work up!

Also, I hope you aim for supporting all CSS2.1 selectors.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MultiAlpha PNGs ... can I say "At Last" ?

BTW, this page isn't even html validated on w3c.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
While talking about PNG, what about this testcase? http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/gamma/

MSIE is the only browser displaying some of the PNGs uncorrectly.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
finally.. Why did this go unfixed for so long?
No wonder firefox has gained such popularity.

I hope IE7 takes some of the market share away from its previous incarnations. Website creators shouldn't have to guess about whether or not the most popular browser will follow standards properly.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I find myself wondering why I should care at this point. Sorry, guys, you are just too far behind to ever be relevent except as the entry-level browser that people replace when they find something that you won't handle.
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January 01, 2003
"Address CSS consistency problems."

It's not consistency we want and need, it's conformance to the standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<< It would be easy to lookup a meaning for a word which is shown in the page. >>

IE already offers an excellent script-based extensibility model for this, and tons of folks take advantage of it. See, for instance: http://www.bayden.com/webster for a scriptlet that provides a definition of the selected word.
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January 01, 2003
PNG support...how nice. Incredible. Awesome. IE is finally catching up with Mozilla 1.0. Truly a revoluton.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think it would be realy appreciated if at least the PNG fix would also be released as a bugfix for older IE versions. I know that for example a lot of k12 schools won't be able to upgrade to XP+SP2+IE7 in the next couple of years..
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January 01, 2003
I hope Microsoft's IE will finally support CSS 2 (e.g position:fixed). It is actually impudent, how long it Microsoft takes to support 5 years old standards. As webdeveloper you always have to make workarounds, just for the Internet Explorer, and I hope this will finally come to an end.
So probably it is better support standards, instead of copying features of other Browsers and sell them as brand-new. (as Microsoft already does with Windows Longhorn as well)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wow you're really listening to the developers out there, this gives me a lot more confidence in Microsoft.

I hope you get credibility where it is due!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I expected IE7 to 'properly' support CSS selectors.

*.[width=100] {background-color:balck;}

This is what i'm talking about.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi there,

i really would like to know if u guys really now what it is about IE and Browser War last years ...

It cost the industry uncountable bucks to develop for different browsers ....
Itchy ... having an own css for IE, for Netscape and Opera, Mac or Linux ....

I wonder what the 3WC is doing their work for ...

If u say now: "we feel sad for those who have this difficulty with different browser platforms and would engange those to use simply the IE only ..."

Man if it wasnt the worst thing of browsing software it would be OK !!!

But Im glad that u guys try to improve it now ...
I just feel sorry for Microsoft and their product politics:
They waited years now, not only for this version update but rather for implementing the standards we all REALLY NEED out here ...

And is it really just because Firefox is getting 10 times more users a day than Internet Explorer is loosing them ?

Is that ur kind of taking the responability u ought as Player No 1 .... is it just the responsability to last as the Player No 1.

Is there not a way to get it both done ...
Do you really want that ?

greetz & wishes the best for u guyz
dennis
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Everyone's whining about IE not being standards compliant, and therefore, they have to waste so much time trying to get their web sites to work? I see just the opposite--whenever I need to support Mozilla, I waste so much time trying to get things to work the same. Depends on your point of view, but I haven't found any corporate client of ours that doesn't use IE as their standard browser. <tongueInCheek>I guess that will all change when they select a "real" operating system for their users, right /.'ers?</tongueInCheek>
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
woot man, woot
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"CSS consistency problems" - so we'll get a full CSS2.1? With position:fixed handled correct?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7 progress
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, well, well... Finally. No more condescending marketing talk, but an actual progress report. Well, although you guys at Microsoft have turned me into a Microsoft-sceptic: Thank you. Thank you for finally treating your users in such a surprisingly honest and indeed professional manner.
But please... I just hope this new behaviour will last for longer than a year...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please fix document.getElementsByName to use NAME attributes instead of IDs. I suppose THAT's why this method is called ...ByNAME and not ...byID
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Sorry, but transparent PNG images and at least fundamental CSS support can only be a beginning.

Support for HTML 2.0 like site navigation with the LINK tag, correct CSS conversation like shadows, tabbed browsing, a sandbox for ActiveX, URL finding by typing and many others are the minimum to draw even with brwosers like Firefox and Opera.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, it's nice to see that IE-7 is going to have good support for CSS & PNG. I hope you guys will stick to the standards and not come up with your own version of the (W3C) standards (again).
Best wishes.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ah..but you see, while you were playing catch up, the world has moved beyond. Take APNG for example... while you were futzing with a PNG decoder, others are animating them around you in circles. ;o)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Internet Explorer 2.0のころから開発に関わっているIE開発者...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Internet Explorer 2.0のころから開発に関わっているIE開発者...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Congrats on closing the gap between IE and modern browses by a few miles by including useful support for a 9-year-old image format. Only a couple hundred light-years to go now and you'll be past NS6... :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thanks. Finally. Now, can you force all IE 5 and 6 users to upgrade? What about pseudo elements? Will we get :hover for anything other than anchor elements? There's still a long way to go.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>Years of consistent user interface research >don't need to be flushed down the toilet because >of a couple whiners using inferior opensource >browsers. Microsoft/IE team, don't give in to >the stupidity! SDI forever.

inferior open-scource browsers? i've never heard of any open-source browser inferior to IE6 (well, maybe except for lynx).

I hope that IE7 will have tabs and that it will be a forced upgrade, I can't stand using an SDI browser when I have to use a computer that's not mine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I realise this is a big step for IE, however Microsoft has an operating profit of $30 billion dollars. So why does their software pale so badly in comparison to the efforts of a bunch of volunteers? We are paying Microsoft to use their software. For some reason, I expect that if I have to pay for something, it should at least be equal to (if not better) than something I can pick up for free.

So IE7 will support the alpha PNG channel and it will have "better" CSS and XHTML support. So what? These are 5 year old technologies that every browser EXCEPT IE already supports. In fact, every single feature Microsoft has announced for their new browser has already been done somewhere else. Why on earth is everyone congratulating Microsoft for this?

I would gladly pay to use Firefox. It's innovative, secure and feature-rich. Funny though - I don't even have to.

So why reward corporations for ripping you off?

For those of you who think that IE is free - you keep forgetting that what Microsoft loses by giving away the browser for free, they make up by raising the price of their Windows operating system. Every person who uses IE is paying for it - in one way or another.

Wake up and see the light. Microsoft markets their products to a general population who don't understand what they are buying. If you want to know why Bill Gates is the richest person in the world, it's because he owns 50% of a corporation that makes disgusting amounts of money by ripping YOU off.

And yet you still congratulate them for coming in second. Or more correctly... oh... fifth place? Give or take a few. Last time I checked, no one got a prize for fifth place.

You don't have to be a mindless drone like 90% of the population. Don't use Firefox because I told you to. But don't use Microsoft products because your friends or Microsoft or your school or someone else told you to either. You honestly don't know what you're missing - and you REALLY have no idea how bad the software you're paying to use is.

Make up your own mind.
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January 01, 2003
Marli, this is good news because it means developers/designers won't have to worry about IE not doing things correctly.

I don't think anyone here intends to actually use IE7, it will just make it easier to develop cross-browser compatible sites for the people who will be using IE7.

What's the point of using IE again if you're already happy with your current browser?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Alpha in PNG is supportet through the propritary filter: progid: DXImageTransform. Microsoft. AlphaImageLoader style. But beware: in our sample web application using this technik there are couple of IE crashes reportet with this feature turned on. we hat to disable it, though it realy looks cool to drag & drop resizable windows with dropshadows realized with dhtml.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I sure wish everyone would stop bleating about tabs. Tabs are a stupid idea. If you actually work on the Internet, as I'm sure most people here do, then why would you want something that breaks Alt-Tab? Or if you're a point-and-click addict, something that makes you click twice to get to the window you need?

Please don't distract these people from doing what we really need done: support CSS and W3C DOM scripting.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MSFT only mentioned PNG Alpha Transparency because it needed to be said otherwise they'd take more heat than they could imagine.
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January 01, 2003
I'd really like it if IE7 could have the security section disable.

Being able to control cookies per-website is really really cool.

It would be nice if you could control ActiveX and Javascript in the same way.

The "internet", "untrusted", "local intranet", "restricted" model is just too restrictive.

But then I'm probably one of the very few who opts to be prompted every time an ActiveX/JavaScript thing wants to run under IE6...but that's because I understand the security risk otherwise and the usability tradeoff involved. There are some web sites I don't want to be prompted (and say yes always) and others I never want to say yes to (and always say no) but find the interaction between IE and the user here less than useful.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hmmm...It will be interesting to see how the "Firefox enlightened" community reacts to it when it comes out. I use Firefox as my primary browser, and the ONLY thing I us IE for is Windows Update. I'm not biased, so I'll give it a fair chance when it comes out but trying it for a while to see what it's like.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>> Tim Burden wrote:
>> Tabs are a stupid idea. If you
>> actually work on the Internet, as I'm sure
>> most people here do, then why would you
>> want something that breaks Alt+Tab?

Personally, I think tabs are a fantastic addition to a web browser, and are much more user friendly than multiple browser windows being compressed on the Windows task bar, but of course, that's down to each individuals preference.

However, in Firefox, Ctrl+Tab will scroll through the tabs as Alt+Tab scrolls through the windows task bar.

So long as IE includes the Ctrl+Tab function, I don't see why it would be a problem for others to adapt.

That said, if people like yourself don't like tabs, then the option to turn them off should of course be present, but I don't think tabs should be ignored just because some people don't like them.

CSS and W3C DOM scripting certainly is something I consider to be an important part of this upgrade, but so is usability. Some people like tabs, some don't, so the practical option is to include both, not either / or.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<--- Hmmm...It will be interesting to see how the "Firefox enlightened" community reacts to it when it comes out. --->

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

AFAICT The leopard has not changed it's spots. I just hope that it does not cause more problems for my customers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Rendering acid2 test should NOT be a goal in itself, a goal per se.

Successfully rendering acid2 test should be the consequence of a normal process of
1- fixing known, documented and "testcased" CSS bugs in MSIE 6
2- improving CSS support in MSIE 6 into MSIE 7
3- trying to achieve overall compliant CSS 2.1 support in MSIE 6 into MSIE 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
we want jpeg2000 support!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nice to hear this is being done, I can't wait to see all the detail :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And nothing for Macintosh, true? Well, by the way we have already a good browser, the only "but" are the web sites "only for Internet Explorer", and, of course these web sites exists thanks Microsoft and his way of understanding (or destroying, pick one) standards.

Sorry for my poor english.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm exited to see PNG alpha channel support and CSS bugfixes in the works for IE7, but I myself won't use any browser regularly unless tabbbed browsing is available.

I would love to see a MouseGesture feature in IE7 as well, but I'm not holding my breath.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ya know. I've been using Opera for a while now. I love that they put out a new version often. To come back to IE, hmmm, IE 7 would have to be pretty amazing, with frequent new releases, or really, you are just wasting your time, and a few weeks after you release it, anything new will be in the new Opera browser.

The thing with Email and browsers is they are all getting rather stale, I want something in them to excite me. It's the same with XP, it's stale, old, nothing in it grabs me, which will prolly mean I'll ditch it in the weeks ahead.

Why is it that linux OS, and browser companies can put out new versions in the time it takes microsoft employees to go to the bathroom. This is where your problems lay, the new versions are just so few and far between that there is nothing in microsoft to excite and hold people.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ya know what MSFT? The Opera devs are closed source and they give out INFINITELY more information than you guys.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Any plan for XPath support?
XPath in Firefox really opens doors to web page scripting, including customization like Greasemonkey scripts...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would love to see Fixed Positioning support in IE7...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hmm, well done boys & girls.

...but in any case i dont change Firefox!!!
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January 01, 2003
<<I would love to see a MouseGesture feature in IE7 as well, but I'm not holding my breath.>>

There's already a great plugin for IE that does this, source included. See http://www.codeproject.com/atl/MouseGestures.asp
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE Fans, rejoice! There are more news about the upcoming IE 7 beta and they've managed to resolve a few...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
FIREFOX!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just curious why Microsoft waited so long to update IE? In fact, if it wasn't of FF I guess we would have to wait for Longhorn, right?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think IE is so behind other browsers like Mozilla Firefox that you will have a lot of work to do to make it better.I wish you all a very good Luck!
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January 01, 2003
Full CSS 2.1 support please!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Something that would be tremendously useful to specific people is for IE to honour ICC colour profiles, just as IE does on the Mac.
This way, tagged images would finally be displayed properly within the browser, which is not the case currently.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please make Internet Explorer 7 handle the Acid2 test 100%. It will give you a enormous sense of well being.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
That's good news I suppose... Still IE people shouldve done that earlier... although without positioneverything in the past at least they couldve stick to the specifications from w3c...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would like to see xforms in IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Looks like the Internet Explorer team is trying to catch up to some of the major OS browsers. They claim to have finally added proper PNG support and have fixed numerous CSS bugs...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will IE7 also work on Linux? ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's good that IE is finally moving closer to standards compliance - it is just a shame you left it so long.

I also hope that this is more than a token gesture and we'll be seeing some genuine efforts towards better standards support.

We're moving into a new era on the web of fantastic interactivity and cross-browser support - and IE is currently the fly in the soup. We can support it - but it's one set of code for IE and one set for everything else.

I see a glimmer of hope, lets hope that MS has seen the light!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hi...i'm not a web designer or a developer...but as a user i'd like to suggest that you implement "link preview" in IE 7 by default...e.g. if i search on google, i could hover the mouse over a link and see a preview pane or smth which would make it easier for me to review whether i want to visit the site or not, rather than open up another window or tab...

another feature that i find useful is to somehow use RSS feeds to create personalized pages in explorer...sort of like custom pages (rather than the favorites folder)...while searching for news/articles etc i find that i routinely visit the same site...the idea is that i could just click on a tab in IE (my page etc)...and it would be a properly formatted page with all website (the ones i add) previews...this would make it easier for me to just kind of update myself without having to go to multiple sites everyday...I'm not too sure of the User Interface but i guess that's what you guys are good at...this would be a very very useful feature (I donno if this has already been implemented)...

Thanks and keep up the good work!

Regards,

Farooq
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This doesn't solve anything, as unless every user of IE5 and IE6 suddenly upgrades to IE7 when it is released (which isn't going to happen because it won't be available to Windows 2000, which has a substantial userbase), website designers will still have to design websites for the bugs present in IE5 and IE6 for years to come. Nothing will become easier because of this. It's too little too late.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ACID2 test !!

http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I just want to add my vote to supporting SVG jpeg 2000 and PIP 2000
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So what language did you guys write it this time. C# ? Managed C++ - please tell me that you wrote the entire thing in .NET and not that dying COM and MSVC++.

What these other posters are looking for are features. Me - I am a business systems developer - I need stability and the ability to restart without having to reboot (stop arguing - I am a real world user) after a failure.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will the MSHTML content editable div provide valid XHTML output?
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What about support for internationalized domain names? Internet Explorer is THE ONLY browser, among the popular ones, that DON'T support internationalized domain names as for example blåbær.no. Netscape, Opera and Firefox have built-in support for international characters.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7 とりあえず、PNGとCSS
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could you turn this blog update thing into a regular event?

Like let us know as soon as you implement stuff like input[type=] or p+p

Keep us updated along the way. Every step of the way. Tell us what you broke while you were trying to fix something else. We want to be able to build for IE7 as soon as it's out officially. We dont want it to be released and then just start figuring out if we have to do something differently.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I applaud you posting again. Most posts from team members seem to happen once, flames pour in, and there is no feedback after that.

I hope that you are looking at more than this blog for problems with IE. In particular, the following URL is devoted to IE feedback, bug reports, and suggestions for improvements:

http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerFeedback

Someone mentioned some parts of it in response to your previous post, but it bears reiterating because lots of people have spent time documenting lots of IE problems there (and flamining is relatively minimal). There are hundreds and hundreds of bugs reported in the subpages listed there, including those related to missing support for standards
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerStandardsSupport

and outright bugs
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerBugs
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerProgrammingBugs
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerSecurity

I hope the IE team spends the time to look at those reports and either fixes the problems or publicly suggests work arounds.

Neil
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We're glad to see the IE team has started to make some important and long overdue fixes. We are really hoping that the improvements will be well beyond this start, including full CSS 2.1 support. Let's see IE 7 pass the <a href="http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/">Acid2 Test</a>.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Security outweighs all "wanna have" features such as this PNG issue, CSS standards, tabs, download managers, etc.

I'd like to see a sandbox for downloads which cannot be circumvented and is the only location files can be saved to through the browser - then allow AV products (and the OS) to interface with the sandbox for a more secure environment.

Tabbed browsers have a security issue that is not commonly mentioned - if you log onto a site and then close the tab it can be reopened and your session resumed without the need to reauthenticate.
PLEASE, if you implement tabs, tear down the session when the tab is closed - this is a major flaw in the much-touted open source browsers.

Make IE check for updates independently of Windows Update on a basis defined by the user.

Make links within a site one colour and external links a separate colour.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It is good to hear that some of the IE6 CSS bugs are finally being addressed. Too bad they couldn't have been fixed with an IE6 patch long ago.

I hope CSS2 is part of the design goals for IE7. At the very least please put in support for min-width, min-height, max-width and max-height.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
why waiting for ie7. firefox is already available
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Tom
<---
<--- Hmmm...It will be interesting to see how the "Firefox enlightened" community reacts to it when it comes out. --->

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

AFAICT The leopard has not changed it's spots. I just hope that it does not cause more problems for my customers.
---->

You seem to judge too quickly. I am a Firefox user, but I plan to check out IE7 when it comes out (I'd also like to be on the beta) WHY?? Because it might be better. I do not have huge confidence in that, but I'd like to know.

ALSO, I like to know what the people I am serving (through my webpages) are experiencing.

All in all, I'm excited. I've been a skeptic on this blog saying that it wasn't specific or consistant, but today's post seems to be a change.

As a proud Firefox user, I can't wait for IE7. If Firefox (or any other product) is the better browser then they've got no problem. The general public is begining to realise there are other products than IE
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January 01, 2003
Wow, some actual info on what will be fixed, I almost can't believe it. Sounds like I'll still be waiting for CSS2 support, but hopefully I can work around that thanks to Dean.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please provide the feature of IE under Mac OS X to windows also. The feature i am talking about is the way you are able to transfer the toolbar to left side on the click of a button. This is really handy in laptops where the screens are wide..
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thank you for this post.

I am really glad to hear that you have addressed these issues, and that you decided to post this to a blog. Keep 'em coming!!!

David
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nice work.
What I want to see the most is... Am able to
let IE stop loading some big Pics while all other stuffs in that page loads. Just like a stop buttom but only stops those items which are too big.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
SVG SVG SVG SVG
!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Speaking of partial transparency, can we get support for the opacity style? Can we just assume that IE 7 will conform completely to the CSS 2 standards?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<<The cache however will be doing a hit to the logo site every time. IE should be able to score the volatility of each item in the cache, and decide whether to refresh it. >>

It already does this, and on a properly constructed site, volatility isn't heuristic.

See
http://www.fiddlertool.com/Fiddler/help/http/HTTPPerf.mht for more info.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Eric, why are you answering questions that aren't really important while leaving the important questions unanswered... WHAT KIND OF BLOG ARE YOU GUYS RUNNING?
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January 01, 2003
<<Eric, why are you answering questions that aren't really important>>

I'm not sure why anyone would feel entitled to decide that another person's questions are "not important"?

I answer questions about HTTP, my area of ownership within IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Beside that IE need many improvements.
such as tabbed browser.
easier to access functions such as disable Java script, images, videos, etc.

or why not just buy, improve and Integrate to IE7 http://www.maxthon.com

I think people will love it.
and I hope IE 7 also will be offered to win 98 user too.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fantastic!I am looking forward to this.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's about time! To be honest, the state of IE should have been an embarassment to Microsoft. For a company that's supposed to innovate, it's been severely lagging in the web browser aspect since it wiped out Netscape (funny that!)

Of course, the improvements are welcome, yet I don't see anything innovative. Full PNG and CSS are manditory in any browser. Tabbed browsing is hardly new either.

C'mon guys, give us something to get excited about, rather than just playing catch up.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
People are whining "don't just catch up with other browsers, make it better!"

How stupid. Catching up the other browsers is absolutely the most important issue. Would you like Microsoft to invent their own proprietary functionality and incompatible features AGAIN? I don't. So what if we stick with the plan, which is a s**tload of work to do, to catch the others in just CSS compatibility.

Others are whining "Wow! PNG alpha and all... What's the news? C'mon, other browsers already have those."

How darn stupid again. If you think it's no important news and worth to announce that a browser which has a 85-percent market share, will finally work with most web pages, how did you start a browser with your IQ in the first place?

To Matthew, who wrote:
"Users also want features like tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, flexible bookmarking, better printing, download management and so on, in which developers have no special interest. If IE wants to regain the buzz from competitors then it needs to take note of users, not web developers."

Mouse gestures? Flexible bookmarking? Better printing? Download management? USELESS. At this point, that is. If the browser is in the first place such an embarrassment to Microsoft, so that they get hated by the web developers around the world, which will tell their bosses to hate IE as well, resulting companies rejecting IE. You don't get hated for lacking features that are just nice, extra, and bonus. Maybe just disliked. :)

To Tim Burden, who wrote:
"I sure wish everyone would stop bleating about tabs. Tabs are a stupid idea. If you actually work on the Internet, as I'm sure most people here do, then why would you want something that breaks Alt-Tab? Or if you're a point-and-click addict, something that makes you click twice to get to the window you need?"

Oh please? So IE is the only application on Windows you ever use? Fine. What if you have half a dozen other apps in the background? Do you want to alt-tab between those and your 9 IE windows? How does ALT-TAB (which chooses quite practically a random window for you each time) compete with FireFox's CTRL-1 CTRL-2 CTRL-3 etc? ... oh man. It's not even worth explaining you anything about usability, I guess.

I was positively shocked to see that with IE7's first beta, Microsoft is first focusing on the CSS and PNG issues. Had they first implemented some download manager and tabbed browsing, skins even (come ON!), everyone had thought "OMG! They hired the people who built Opera 6! IE is doomed for good." (can it get any worse)...

I agree with many people what comes to my wishlist (as a CMS developer for 10 years):
CSS and PNG issues of course, most importantly position:fixed and :hover), X-Forms. ALT vs TITLE behaviour. After those, tabbed browsing. After that, while keeping care of the security, it's a solid browser which is something to be proud of as the default, built-in browser in Windows.

Most importantly, please don't let me see wasting your precious time on skins. Will 14-year old teens care about IE anyway, if their friends at school say "M$ suX0r!"? (I mean, come on, who else would need skins to emphasize their artistic laughter! character). Get a my-little-pony and a glitter pen if you want to play?

Cheers. Happy to make everyone's day ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thank you, thank you! You are so great! Thanks again for fixing what other browsers had working for years. I'm so happy I'll buy now all Microsoft products. In fact two of each, like Noah did!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Regarding IE conditional comments, how about implementing them in to CSS as well as HTML, as a way to show / hide CSS from IE 7 (and beyond) or other browsers, using CSS comments?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Adrian, Newly announced IE 7 Beta 1 Features:CONFIRMED: 32-bit PNG transparency CONFIRMED: CSS fixes and compatibility Source: Microsoft IE Team Blog...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is all we need: CSS and W3C DOM.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
First of all, it's EXCEPTIONALLY NEEDED to introduce support at least for CSS's "display: table", "display: table-row", "display: table-cell", and other "table" values of "display" CSS property.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IEBlog : IE7 beta 1 〓 A few details… IE7 beta 1 〓 A few details… フロート関連Peekabooへ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's good to hear IE might improve on some of its standards deficiencies in its beta of IE, which might come out later this year.

I for one am glad there are alternatives that already provide these things, and I don't have to buy an expensive operating system ("Windows") to get a good (or bad) browser. ;-)

http://www.GetFirefox.com
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wonder if you plan to implement any new css features (it sounds like you are just going to fix bugs from this post).

Would it be possible to use the IE Mac rendering engine (Tasman) for certain doctypes? That might be a better starting point this late in the game, and it could help maintain backwards compatability.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It better have tab browsing! I love IE and switched to Firefox due to the tab browsing feature. :( It would be nice to use IE again.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could I ask how BETA’s are handled exactly?
Are they released to anybody who care’s to download them?
Do they overwrite the correct working release on a users machine?
How is feedback received about the software?
Is there an official BETA forum or database?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Of course, you won't release until you pass acid2 I hope.

http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's about time that Microsoft offers a stand alone browser that isn't part of there OS. I've grown to hate IE6 and have wanted to uninstall it. I have recently switched to Mozilla and I have also being experimenting with Netscape 8 beta. So far I'm impressed with both of these browsers and I now only use IE to download OS and critical updates. I have discovered that my computer is less plaqued with viruses and spyware since I switched browsers. I hope that Microsoft listens to the key industry players that have being crying for IE improvements for several years.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> I'm not sure why anyone would feel entitled to decide that another person's questions are "not important"?

> I answer questions about HTTP, my area of ownership within IE.

Eric, I can't speak for Fiery Kitsune, but I can understand the attitude.

Personally, I find your posts to be interesting and by far the best part of the IEBlog. The difficulty, though, is that your area of ownership isn't the focus of all the big questions.

If the rest of Internet Explorer had the kind of coverage you give, then pretty much all of the big questions people have would be answered. But as things stand, there's a massive information deficit in other areas, so when you are talking about HTTP, no matter how useful or interesting your article is, it's always going to be read with a bit of frustration.

As important as HTTP is, there are only a few shortcomings in Internet Explorer's implementation, and it doesn't cause anywhere near the amount of trouble as Internet Explorer's implementation of CSS. But while we are getting lots of information about HTTP, we are getting almost nothing about CSS.

Basically, the frustration is with the lack of information from the people working on the other parts of Internet Explorer, not you specifically. You are doing a good job with the IEBlog IMHO.

This new article regarding the CSS fixes and PNG's alpha channel is very welcome, and hopefully with a few more articles like this, the IEBlog will not be so out of balance as it has been in the past, and people won't feel so frustrated with the Internet Explorer team.

I have a couple of questions regarding HTTP though if you are in a position to answer them.

At the moment, Internet Explorer violates section 7.2.1 of RFC 2616 by disregarding the Content-Type header is some circumstances. XPSP2 partially fixed the problem, but you still sniff in some circumstances when you shouldn't. Will this be completely fixed for Internet Explorer 7?

Secondly, will you fix your implementation of history lists to conform with RFC 2616? Section 13.13 explicitly states that the history list mechanism should show what the user saw and not the current state of the resource. As far as I can tell, Internet Explorer in its default state validates its cached copy and refreshes if necessary, which is incorrect.

Apart from anything else, this lack of refreshing is one of the things that makes people perceive Opera to be much faster than other browsers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thanks for the feedback!

<<Internet Explorer violates section 7.2.1 of RFC 2616 by disregarding the Content-Type header is some circumstances. XPSP2 partially fixed the problem, but you still sniff in some circumstances when you shouldn't.>>

We tried changing this in XPSP2, but unfortunately we ended up breaking a lot of websites that incorrectly claim they're delivering text/plain.

As sites (sadly slowly) move away from this error, we can reevaluate this in the future.

<<Section 13.13 explicitly states that the history list mechanism should show what the user saw and not the current state of the resource. As far as I can tell, Internet Explorer in its default state validates its cached copy and refreshes if necessary, which is incorrect.>>

Interesting issue. IE will generally conform to section 13.13, unless caching headers on the "prior" page attempted to prevent it from being stored in the cache.

There's a disconnect here between the intent of the RFC (which is well specified) and the desires of web application developers, who don't want the "back" button to mess up the flow of their application. We get a TON of questions like "How can I disable the back button? When the user hits "Back", it messes up the state of the application.

This is definitely an area which needs some more careful thought.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would love to see IE7, even though I probably wouldn't use it very much... Firefox is the best!!! And nothing will ever replace it!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How can the IE dark gamma bug on PNG's be photoshop's fault when PNG's created with Paint Shop Pro 7 and 9 show the fault in IE too.

And checking those same images in Firefox and Opera on the same PC is fine.

By reading the gamma field in those files that PSP had created, it is set to 0.45455. But the fact is, Firefox and Opera do not show the images to dark and IE does...

So whether it is Quicktime or IE causing the problem, I don't know, but I do not believe it is just Photoshop creating the faulty images. Maybe it does, but then it can't be the only cause of the problem, if Paint Shop Pro created PNG's that show too dark in IE too.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thanks for the update, Chris! I'm glad to see IE7 is addressing some of these issues, particularly the CSS ones.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
umm err finally
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oops, forgot to add: thanks for responding to my questions so promptly! This weblog has improved loads in the past few days.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
way too little, way too late. not even your marketshare can save you now.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
מסתבר שמיקרוסופט לפחות לפעמים, מקשיבים לתלונות. בפוסט בבלוג של אקספלורר דווח שאקספלורר 7 בטא 1 יתמוך בשקיפות ערוץ אלפא ב-PNG (זהו הדפדפן האחרון שמוסיף את התמיכה הזו, וזה פיצ'ר שמפתחים מבקשים ממיקרוסופט כבר שנים, תרתי משמע). ומה שיותר חשוב- הם...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
LOVe to see it...
LOVe to see them PLUG all the holes they made..
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey, and I bet this wonderful new IE7 will be free and open source software. So the community will be able to fix your bugs, isn't it?

If it will be closed we will be stuck with 10 new features and 100 new bugs forever...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wish IE7 will support the standard DOM Level 1. It makes me TROUBLES when using it, especially with events. Please support (if you read it, and if you don't) event.target (instead of, or with, event.srcElement), event.preventDefault (instead of, or with, the property event.returnValue), and especially addEventListener (instead of, or with, attachEvent). I think it is the best thing you could do for the web developers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When it comes to tabs, it's pretty simple:
-People who like them, can using other browsers
-People who don't are gonna do just fine with IE

That's why it's pretty pointless to argue about IE needing tabs or not, just use another browser if you want to use them (I'm sure I will continue to use Opera, tabs are a must for me). MS has stated that IE users don't want tabs, if that's true, let's just keep it that way.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A riddle...

How many steps does it take to disable ActiveX? How many tabs do you need to go to? How about disabling JVM?

How many steps should it take?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yay! It only took you guys a few years to discover alpa channel in PNG, and the CSS support has been implemented in almost every browser for.. Well.. Quite a while.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
deeeestroy firefox! anybody wanna know what new IE should look like check out maxthon. i pray that microsoft is looking also!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's time that you microsoft people (or IE people, whatever) think about "us" 'cause we're waiting for something better than IE6.0, 'cause it's kind of imposible to navigate with a full css support...

In your post I've see that problem fixed, so... I'll wait for IE7 Beta...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
SAFARI WINS!

Acid2 compliance met by Safari!!

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Looking forward to this - css support is very welcome.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why not just use Mozilla Firefox? It's fast, standards-compliant, and secure. IE is only fast, but it's neither standards-compliant nor secure.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dave Hyatt of Apple Computer makes Safari the first web browser to pass the Acid2 test I blogged about. Chris Wilson of Microsoft is potentially going to get IE7 to pass it, which is encouraging (see what I wrote about...
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I use IE as a web editor, are there any changes planned in "DesignMode"
Anonymous
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January 01, 2003
I forgot something to say....
take care that IE doesn't use text/html as default MIME type instead of text/plain.
Some "webprogrammers" do not even know that their website only shows the source code (e.g. because of wrong php headers) instead of the content and every IE supports them with their stupid errors up to now.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> 1. Proper support of the OBJECT tag for images, without inexplicable scrollboxes. W3C deprecated IMG years ago and the chief reason we still have to use it is backwards compatibility with IE.

This is not true. The W3C have never deprecated the img element type, although it is not expected to be present in XHTML 2.

I agree that a properly implemented object element type is much more flexible and useful than the img element type.

> 2. Correct implementation of text-align:center as something other than a carbon copy of the CENTER tag

This was fixed in Internet Explorer 6 wasn't it?

> take care that IE doesn't use text/html as default MIME type instead of text/plain.

The problem is not that Internet Explorer uses text/html by default. The problem is that Internet Explorer disregards the server-supplied media type in some circumstances.

The reason why misconfigurations typically manifest themselves as text/plain is because text/plain is set as the default in the sample configuration file supplied with Apache. Many people, myself included, consider this to be an Apache bug, and two bugs were opened for this problem years ago, but the Apache people seem ambivalent about it.

http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13986

http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14095

Eric, if you want to do the right thing regarding RFC 2616, but still have compatibility concerns, then pester Apache to fix these bugs. Once that is done, the compatibility concern will slowly go away for you, as:

In the case of people who don't bother sending the right Content-Type header, they won't be sending one at all, which means you can sniff with the spec's blessing.

The remaining instances of text/plain will either be people who actually want to serve text/plain, or one of the people using an obsolete, misconfigured, easily-fixable Apache. The number of the people in the latter group will slowly dwindle until they are so few that you can safely fix Internet Explorer to act according to spec.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What I would like to see is real support for the PUT and DELETE methods. This would enable true REST applications
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will IE7 finally address one of the longest-standing failures - the inability to print properly, especially on non-US paper sizes. Are we going to get something like the "fit to page" print option which the other MS products do very well?

That would be great!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Besides the already mentioned OBJECT tag behaviour that should be changed there is one other major thing as well: "If the user agent is not able to render the object for whatever reason (configured not to, lack of resources, wrong architecture, etc.), it must try to render its contents.". This is part of the W3C recommendation that IE completely ignores at the moment.
Changing this would e.g. allow nested OBJECT tags to be used. This would surely be highly appreciated by web devs since this would solve a lot of W3C standard compliance headaches (e.g. when evoking QuickTime).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
http://www.yacsoft.com
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could I just ask for the IE developer's views on the current ability to use multiple versions of Internet Explorer on a single machine?

Do you consider this a security risk or know of any other conflicts? Do you think this will continue to work with IE 7? Or, would you consider adding a web developer mode which would enable developers to view the site as IE 6 (and perhaps others) would do?

I know I would certainly find such a feature handy.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Omg. I can't imagine how it will be to actually use transparent PNGs on the web, without worrying about IE users.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
this comment will probably never get read because of all the trash above it but either way..

i request MULTIPART support for XMLHTTP. this would allow basic server-push to be available in IE; Mozilla already supports this feature.

more info available at:
http://jpspan.sourceforge.net/wiki/doku.php?id=javascript:xmlhttprequest:snippets:push
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope IE7 fixes complex script font height problem (http://urduseek.com/node/16). Interestingly there was no problem with IE5 and IE5.5, but IE6 causes font height problem when rendering complex script fonts like Urdu Nastaliq.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
I'm delighted to see that there is going to be actual development on IE after years of stagnation. You ask what web developers want in IE7? Here's my request -

Get a copy of "Designing with Web Standards" by Jeffrey Zeldman. Read it cover-to-cover and highlight every place where it says something doesn't work in IE or where it offers a way to work around the way IE behaves. Make a list of all these highlighted items and fix every single one of them so that they work the way Jeffrey describes that they should.

If you do only this, you will have done an incredible service to the internet community and probably helped Microsoft at the same time.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
WOW I am getting pins and needles just in anticipation. It's exciting and I want to thank you for keeping us updated like this. I am looking forward to the release, and the changes that we have been hoping for seems to be in the making. Here is looking forward to August!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
so, where / when can we downlaoad the beta and play with it?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We don't have to use Javascript for drop down menus. We are resigned to using it and then provide the menu at the bottom for SE indexing, only because IE doesn't support CSS drop down menu.

If CSS drop down menu (as in http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html) is supported in IE7, that will relieve us a lot.

Viggie
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
blah blah blah
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January 01, 2003
<p>Good to hear that CSS bugfixes are on their way! At the very top of my wishlist for better CSS2 support are:
<ul>
<li>negative values for margin properties (section 8.3)
<li>child selectors (section 5.6)
<li>automatic counters and numbering (section 12.5)
</ul>
<p>If IE7 supported all of these, that would be a major step forward for the entire web. Firefox does already at least the first two of these properly.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would like to see the :hover selector applied to any element instead of being limited only to links.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fernis wrote:
"Oh please? So IE is the only application on Windows you ever use?"

No, I use Firefox. I'll have about 3 or 4 windows open. And at work also Quark (which is why I'm on Windows at work), FTP client, text editor, email client, image editor, sometimes a PDF reader, and when testing, IE too.

"Fine. What if you have half a dozen other apps in the background?"

Almost always.

"Do you want to alt-tab between those and your 9 IE windows?"

3 or 4 Firefox windows, but Yes.

"How does ALT-TAB (which chooses quite practically a random window for you each time) compete with FireFox's CTRL-1 CTRL-2 CTRL-3 etc?"

ALT-TAB brings up the last used window, as I'm sure you know. Then you can tab to the window you want, which are ordered according to last usage. Very handy, very fast, definitely not random. I don't want to ALT-TAB to the Firefox window and then CTRL-1 to the tab I need. Hello: that is called an Extra Step.

"... oh man. It's not even worth explaining you anything about usability, I guess."

But thanks for trying. Look, I don't care if other people want to use tabs. I'm just trying to reduce it as a priority for the IE guys. It seems like a useless accoutrement, a gaudy bauble, and there's way more important stuff to get at.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Regarding Alpha png support in IE

My main concern is that IE7 is released only for XP and later so this still leaves alpha png support 3-5 years out. As a workaround in IE6 why not add one more css DX filter similar to the alphaimageloader and just call it:

filter:alphapng;

This filter will just call and populate the alphaimageloader which is a pain to use in its current state because you have to use the transparent gif, and know the path and size.

Then place the new filter in some critical update, problem solved....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What about sth called security??
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well maybe not Bill, but definitely somebody from Microsoft who has access to the Internet Explorer 7 beta. They&#8217;ve hit my website 76 times recently. -bash-2.05b$ grep MSIE access_log* | cut -f14,15 -d' '| sort | uniq MSIE 6.0;...
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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A long week but a productive one at that. Here's a quick catchup on items:
- Tomorrow is the official
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<p>Over on the IE Blog Chris Wilson <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/22/410963.aspx" class="external">gives a few details</a> on the upcoming Explorer 7 beta.</p>
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