IE7

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02/15/2005

The information published in this post is now out-of-date.

—IEBlog Editor, 21 August 2012

Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.

First, some basics: we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. This new release will build on the work we did in Windows XP SP2 and (among other things) go further to defend users from phishing as well as deceptive or malicious software.

Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: “Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment.”

I think of today’s announcement as a clear statement back to our customers: “Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Why are we talking about it today? Because our customers and partners have asked us, with increasing urgency, what our plans are. We want to convey our intentions to our customers and partners clearly and in a timely way.

I’ve gotten questions about the ship date. Yes, we have a date in mind. I’ll talk about the date after we get feedback from customers and partners. We’re going to release a beta and listen, then refresh the beta and listen some more. We’ll ship when the product is ready.

I’ve also gotten questions about support for Windows 2000. Right now, we’re focused on XP SP2. We’re actively listening to our major Windows 2000 customers about what they want and comparing that to the engineering and logistical complexity of that work. That’s all I can say on that topic.

Please know that the IE team is working hard. We’re eager to improve and better secure the web experience for the hundreds of millions of IE users around the world. We delivered on our part of XP SP2. We are actively delivering on our part of a great 64-bit Windows client. We continue to deliver on security updates for customers (across several versions of IE (back to IE 5.01) and Windows). We’re going to deliver on IE7.

Dean

Comments

Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer.

That's FANTASTIC news! Thank you!

Any hints as to what will be updated?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Any released information stating your commitment to modern coding practices -- meaning XHTML, CSS, XML... not to mention full PNG support? Aside from security, this has been the reason why we've dropped IE's usage company wide -- I have the choice of building one internet application for all users; or one for IE users. We don't want to waste money doing both anymore.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Here's the press release of Bill Gates' announcement this morning:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb05/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.asp
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The IE blog is reporting that Microsoft will be releasing an IE 7 this summer. It appears that their plans to use Longhorn as the delivery vehicle for browser upgrades has been reversed. The only question I have is will they actually improve their rendering capabilities, or will this be a UI hackjob to bring their five year old app up to a contemporary featureset. Actually, I have one more question. Why are they leaving out over hundreds of millions of users by not offering this to users of Windows pre-XPSP2? Scoble's posted too. I expect Cnet to have something up today....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Amazing guys :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is great news, but I can't help but think to myself, 'Geez, they've had 3 years already. Where have these guys been?' I eagerly await the new IE, but I doubt I will switch from my current browser...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.

How so? Consider also that competition is very healthy. Without all those "firefox users" it's unlikely you would even be seeing this IE7 build at this time.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A few things id like to see are the ability to turn tabbed browsing off (i dont like it - assuming this will be included) and the ability to write managed plugins.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm with Patrick, FF and a bunch of Microsoft customers complaining are responsible for the upcoming IE 7.0, but whatever the motivation, I, too, am glad it's coming!

I am down to about 60/35 (Safari for the other 5%) usage with IE barely being used more than FF . Looking forward to seeing integrated RSS in IE7 (I'm sure this will be just one of many features).

Excellent news!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As above my priority is code compatibility. If IE's rendering engine can't much Firefox's I still won't use it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
windows2000supportrequest++;
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please just fix the rendering! Do the web a favour!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You've got a great opportunity here; you can still get back a lot of those people who have switched from IE, I'm sure. Please understand that it is more than just security as our concern; the rendering engine is something we, the 'creative' people all want to be better.

In fact, if you implement the CSS3 draft, you will have a VERY MAJOR advantage over FF, which does not yet support it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It would be really nice to see IE support CSS2, alpha PNG, etc.
If Microsoft wants to give IE users a full experience, they should really implement this. I currently develop sites for standards-compliant browsers: IE will be able to view the site but not with all fancy things like transparency.
If it will be fixed, I'd be really thankful to Microsoft and I'm sure many others will be too.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
sound good! It's sure to succeed!!
good luck!
rock
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>A few things id like to see are the ability to turn tabbed browsing off

What do you mean? If you don't choose to open links in a new tab, you might not notice that tabbed browsing is supported at all. Why would you want to turn it off?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE8?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Originally they weren't going to update Internet Explorer until the next version of Windows came out (Longhorn... longtooth... long-in-coming), but Gates just announced that they will be coming out with v7 sometime this summer. Funny how all those people running to download Firefox made enough noise to cause M$ to reconsider....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
torresburriel.com » ?Ya viene Internet Explorer 7?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What about Server 2003? I'd like to have a more secure verison of IE to put on my terminal servers :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
“Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Then reading the actual blog entry and press release it seems that MS is not listening. The comments here mention CSS and PNG support yet there is no mention in any of the "official" statements that these will ever be improved.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OSX ... OSX ... OSX . . . wherefore art thou?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Scoble mirrors a statement on the IE blog: Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.First, some basics: we're committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OSX..OSX... I think this move is primarily designed to get MS's userbase back. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think they're going to try and get it out as quick as possible and unfortunately OSX (and maybe 2000/2003) support just can't be included in that. I'm sure support for it will follow ASAP.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OSX ... OSX ... OSX . . . wherefore art thou?

Keep looking theres about 3% of the population using it, so you may find one if your lucky.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will it work on linux and beos?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
TABBED BROWSING - Please!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Considering MS had 3 years to fix simple things like PNG support and CSS support, I say forget about IE7. It's Firefox all the way, and W3C web standards > MS proprietary standards.

Firefox > IE any day/month/year/decade/millennium
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
That is some really great news, thanks for the info!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hmm... Why can't I help thinking, we're all going to be so disappointed?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Excellent news, most excellent. As a developer, some improvement in both the standards adhered to and the usability would be nice, but most important is improving security. Got to get rid of that phishing, and have to shut down ActiveX's misuse as an enabling mechanism for Spyware.

I use both Firefox and IE, and I think the increased development activity in both camps will only improve the web experience for everyone.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I strongly reccomend you ignore the negative comments above. I hate Firefox, and I'm not the only one. You make it, and we will listen.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Excellent news. As someone who develops apps that embed the web browser and MSHTML, I can't wait to find out what additional features are going to be added.

Interesting timing too, because just last week I had a dream where I got a preview CD of IE7.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
great news, but my webserver blocks msie agents :P
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, this announcement would be good news. Only a few problems:

1) Our shop still uses Win2k, not XP, so a browser version which is not backward-compatible with previous OS versions is going to go over about as well as a lead balloon around here.

2) Even if the new browser is good enough to make us upgrade our operating system (unlikely, but I will grant the possibility) our clients will NOT follow suit. They are understandably reticent about requiring their users to spend more money than necessary to use their product, and requiring them all to upgrade to XP is going to be a significant expense.

3) This strikes me as the same mentality of Best Buy and other retailers who offer to "match any lower price." This has always annoyed me. Why should I let you MATCH the lowest price? Why not reward the retailer who came out with the lowest price ORIGINALLY? By the same token, I see no reason to switch back to IE, just because they have finally caught up with Firefox!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It would be great if IE7 will fully support at least 1998's W3C specifications. Let's hope so.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hi yes me two glad ie7 is coming i hope that ie7 shuts of close ad pop up in there pop up blocker to abilities to take off ads on websites so the page is freash clean with out ads that would be nice and to like yahoo toolbar they have anti spy cleanner that scan your system for ads and deletes them off your computer hope it is possible that ie7 has it in there broswer built in button on the toolbar that customers can scan clean there system from ie pop ups
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This sounds very much like a 'hang-in-there' message to all the corporations out there thinking about switching to Firefox... After all the betas and delays, I would expect a final IE7 to be out no earlier than spring 2006.

Reading the description of what is to come, IE7 sounds like little more than a glorified XP SP3...

Also, I believe maintaining compatibility = not touching the rendering engine. So, don't hold your breath for real CSS or PNG support...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Scoble and Dean reports: "...we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. This new release will build on the work we did in Windows XP SP2...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@GodaiNoBaka
"By the same token, I see no reason to switch back to IE, just because they have finally caught up with Firefox!"

"Caught up" is maybe a little strong for what they have done so far ... ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
please please please let is support web standards and a proper DOM.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think it's fantastic the the most insecure, noncompliant browser since at least 1995 is getting an update. Any idea on who cares?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Veerle's blog
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The CNET article on the IE7 beta quotes Bill Gates as saying "Browsing is definitely a point of vulnerability."

Yes, browsing is a point of vulnerability. Those of us who are concerned about security have already switched to Opera, Firefox or another operating system.

... and I say this as an ASP / ASP.NET developer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope that the new version be more compatible with web standards...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
regnskygge.net » The lathe of heaven?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Competition will be interesting. If IE7 isn't released for previous Operating systems (2000, XP minimum), then I don't see how many will care.

Most IE users with any technical knowledge have already duck-taped it with enough addon popup blocking, anti this, anti that, etc. that it's buldging at the seams.

If it isn't built secure from the ground up and ripped away from the framework of the OS, it will be a dud.

For now, and the conceivable furture, Firefox/Safari/Opera remain the viable options for secure web browsing.

If it supports recent web standards however, it may stand a chance. Web development today requires using standards, and so do users of their browsers.

Last but not least, quit taking months to get a n issue fixed.

Here are a few examples:
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/netsec/2001-11/msg00012.html
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115664,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118172,00.asp

Here is an exerpt from the last cited source:

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Slow on the Update?

eEye Digital Security criticized Microsoft for taking its time on some
of the patches, with a patch for the Zip issue taking 71 days from when
Microsoft was notified of the problem. A less serious
privilege-escalation issue took Microsoft 408 days to patch, eEye said.
Both were fixed in the August release of SP2 before being released this
week as stand-alone patches.

Sophos' Cluley responded that speed isn't always the most important
concern with patching. "As long as information about how to exploit the
problem doesn't get out, it's probably better for them to take the time
to make sure the patch works properly," he said.

He noted that in the past some of Microsoft patches have required
patches of their own because they haven't worked or have created new
problems.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please add support for the currently used major technologies:

* Real PNG Support
* CSS 2 Support
* DOM 2 Support (Event Handling, ...)
* XHTML Support
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
..sooner than one might have expected? Although I doubted for long that anything good would ever come out of Microsoft's Internet Explorer department, and Tom Sommer still doubts (see this chat transcript on Microsoft TechNet saying there would not be any
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would like IE7 to perform the way my monitor performs. And by that I mean that a web page should only be able to control what is drawn on the canvas and not the browser UI. Things like changing the status bar text, making it full screen, changing scroll bar appearance, etc should not be allowed period.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ensight - Jeremy C. Wright » IE 7 Announced
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We need TABBED BROWSING please!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Here's an idea for how Microsoft can fix IE. Replace it with Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
quote_____
If it isn't built secure from the ground up and ripped away from the framework of the OS, it will be a dud.

For now, and the conceivable furture, Firefox/Safari/Opera remain the viable options for secure web browsing.
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Actually, I find IE incredibly secure as it is. SP2 WAS a big improvement. In fact, I didn't get any viruses or spyware pre-SP2, due to the steps I took to secure it. I use IE because Firefox does not conform to the Win32 GUI Defaults; to me, those defaults are just as important as web standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Glad to hear users will finally be getting an update! Whatever some of us may think of IE personally, a lot of our users use it, and if improvements to IE make their use of our sites and applications better and more secure I'm very happy to see it happen.

The announcement mentions security as a strong focus; it would be great news if this means that IE will start respecting the Content-type header to help close some cross-site scripting and other attack vectors through misidentified file types. This was added for XP SP2 but disabled by default, leaving the vast majority of users on the vulnerable setting.

If that's not going to happen, we web developers could really use better documentation on the content-type autodetection to protect our users against maliciously created files which exploit the detection heuristics.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
For the first time, last week, I made firefox part of the default disk images, and the default browser, for our company. If Win2k isn't supported by IE7, then it looks like Firefox won't be coming off the image for a long time.

I would much rather not have to deal with multiple browsers, but right now MS hasn't made it possible to do that with it's own product. But Firefox doesn't render some things as nicely as IE (OWA, in particular). So, we're stuck with 2 products, which together make a pretty good whole unit.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please, please, please add Alpha PNG support to IE7. Us web developers are severely limited by IE's inability to properly render .png's. In my mind this issue is second only to security.

Additionally, proper CSS2 support would be very nice.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
...in terms of setting standards...we need a browser that can read images that are tagged with ICC profiles!...and of course intergrated spell chck,chk...check:)!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why the Web Needs Color Management

http://www.color.org/wpaper2.html
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
First, all you IE7 fans have to thank mozilla.org for this gift from Redmont. There would be no standalone IE7 if Firefox was't available and popular.

Second, if Microsoft does not want to support older OS versions, it's their problem. As I do not plan upgrading to XP, I don't care about this vaporware. Not at all. Especially as I already moved to Mozilla camp.

Third, with a beta in summer dont't expect a final IE7 before Christmas. By the time Mozilla & Firefox will implement the rest of CSS3 (at least the parts published so far) and as lot of other goodies. Remember that Firefox is not a sitting duck but a moving target.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Also wanted to stress STANDARDS COMPLIANCE, better css and dom support, PNG support, along with everyone else.

If the opportunity is missed yet again to finally properly implement these features properly, and to finally engineer a standards compliant browser, IE will officially be dead to me.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
With IE 6 and WinXP SP2, if I print most webpages to an 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper, the right side of the webpage will almost always get cut off.

I can print these pages fine in Firefox.

Will IE7 fix these printing problems?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wonder If there is a Roadmap or a plann about the changes / Releases or something that let us know what's comming? I'm almost sure IE7 won't Include Tabbed browsing and maybe not IDN implementations, si, But what will It be? Full support for PNG? JPG2000?
I need to develop a site (Long Term development) and I would like to know what to spect for.
Thanks In advance
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think one thing can be said here; 'Microsoft, this is your last chance. Get it right. Please.'

I believe that you can do it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Maybe now my CSS and XHTML valid web page will display properly in some version of IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is microsoft going to get into the infinte beta software world? As you wrote "We’re going to release a beta and listen, then refresh the beta and listen some more. We’ll ship when the product is ready..."
I'm starting to see Google (beta) this (beta) that and never get enything working production quality. Sounds like you guys are trying to imitate others which is odd considering your (MS) past history.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Too late... already switched to Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please Microsoft. Add PNG support!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft should just fund FireFox development instead of spending more money on IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I forgot to say complete the support for css2 and all those thinks you already know (Including the Xforms W3C recomentation).
Best Regards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If that involves making Firefox a decent browser, sure. But since it isn't, I'd rather they crush it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003

Opposite of Sequitur
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= IE7, for realz? // Seth Thomas Rasmussen
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If they're going to call it "IE 7" there better be more than just security upgrades. There better be new features, full support for PNG, CSS, and other technologies, and much more. Otherwise, it really is just IE6 SP3.

As for me, I'm eternally thankful I'm using Firefox on a Mac.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good to hear that the stable door is going to be firmly closed in a few months time.

What horse?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
(My previous post was targeted @bob).

NorthPole, there is no need to repeat yourself.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Freedreams » Inmenso Excremento 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> I think of today’s announcement as a clear
> statement back to our customers: “Hey,
> Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Hmm, I think you can beter formulate this sentence like: "Due to the unexpected, rapid, growth of alternative browsers, MS is forced to .."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please Please add tab browsing!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Forgive my cynicism, but somehow I think this will just make my life as a web developer harder than easier. I'm truly fed up of making sites support the outdated, buggy IE - please take this opportunity to embrace standards as well as security issues.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Since it will not support W2k in our corporate environment we will continue our conversion of all computers to Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7

So we're going to get an Internet Explorer version 7 this year (in beta). That should theoretically be good news but we'll see what features it will support. I doubt they're going to do any kind of tabbed browsing (which is what makes Firefox ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good, because IE 6 really stinks. IE needs to be improved really badly.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This announcement is just lip service. It's a feeble attempt at damage control because IE has been slammed for legitimate reasons all over the press lately.

A beta release this summer? Give me a break. This is too little too late. The damage is done, the marketshare is being lost, and there is not a lot that an update targeted at XP SP2 exclusively will do to fix anything.

Yes, I wish I could be more optimistic about this, but MS's track record to this point has been anything but stellar. Optimism will have to be earned.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yes this is excellent news.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A few preliminary words...

My experience with IE 6 since its release has been fine as paint - all I have to do is not browse like a moron and weird crud stays off my system. It has serviced me very well, and there has never been any chance of me switching to a second-rate browser with a tortoiselike development process. As long as IE remains the driving force in WWW capabilities and makes it easy for me to interact securely with a sometimes dangerous global network, I will stick with it.

That said, I look forward to IE 7. I expect the same take-my-breath-away innovation that Microsoft has repeatedly demonstrated over the years in the full breadth of its products. I won't pretend to know what's in store, because no matter what I guess, I will be pleasantly surprised. I always am.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
My theory is that MS is downloading the source code for FireFox and slapping a big ol' lowercase E on it. Haha.

Seriously, MS never responds to anything unless they are desperately trying to keep market share...or gain it. Don't let Billy fool you. This is about market share, not security.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please include better support for CSS. And PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE support alpha PNGs... WHY is it that hard?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Firefox is still going to be better, one main reason. As more people use IE the more attackers will write code for IE, its that simple. Firefox is vulnerable and so is Mozilla
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Webfroot » Internet Explorer 7 on the horizon
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm sorry, but this announcement is useless. Microsoft has continued security enhancements and still haven't committed to any new features. I've switched to Firefox until MS gives me a good reason to switch back.

MS has a history of ignoring other systems; will I be able to import my Firefox bookmarks? Will I have tabbed browsing, even if the answer is "yes" Microsoft needs to come out with a faster more feature rich browser, bringing them up to par still won't be enough as most hackers target IE and any bugs will rapidly have exploits written to take advantage of them.

So while this is good marketing, it’s empty marketing until they tell us what they plan to add.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.First, some basics: we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please fix web standards (CSS, PNG, etc.) and remove IE from Windows. That would be a significant improvement.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
NOTE: the blog is running slowly right now and it may take a while for your post to show up.

Please avoid double posting - if it didn't error out when you posted, then trust that the post will (eventually) show up. Give it a while.

Thanks
Bruce
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I like Firefox a lot, but I'll be the first to admit that some FF zealots sound a lot like -- well, Mac zealots, or sports team zealots, or TV...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Webstandards please!...
CSS!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://secunia.com/product/11/

Lovely isn't it? MS can't even fix the security bugs that still plagues IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've been working on a standards-based conversion of a major retail site, and we have run into a number of IE anomalies, the most painful of which has been issues with the float attribute.

These two pages list most of the issues we encountered:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/common.html

And of course, proper .png support would be cool, too.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't understand how everybody is demanding these features in IE7 when every other browser supports these features?

If Microsoft's idea of innovation is to rip off ideas already in practice for three years, why bother...

Every user demanding PNG support and Tabbed browsing should have already switched to a browser that does support it...

GodaiNoBaka, http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx#373230 has said it best with his third point...

BestBuy and other retailers which offer to beat the lowest price are simply followers in the retail market... don't support this kind of business and move to the companies that offer the best price fair and square...

IE7 is nothing but a follower... don't get your hopes up...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Haha, this is actually quite ridiculous. Still no word on such a simple issue as PNG-alpha support (http://www.petitiononline.com/msiepng/petition.html).

/Vidar
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please license Presto from Opera. It is a lot faster and more compliant than Trident.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The support for standards (most importantly CSS, PNG, XHTML) ranks right up there with security. Please take the time to do this right and don't release IE7 without proper standards compliance.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
(quote)Firefox is still going to be better, one main reason. As more people use IE the more attackers will write code for IE, its that simple. Firefox is vulnerable and so is Mozilla
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It's not the sole factor that makes it an expected target, IE is the default browser on the most mainstream, user-friendly operating system. The least savvy users are there, not even knowing alternatives are available. They are those who are susceptible to answer "yes" to any question they are asked, and not notice something's going wrong afterwards.

Mozilla does and will have vulnerabilities, still I believe IE will be less secure as long as it does embed ActiveX.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What about standards comliant to W3C.
Enough already with snubbing of other browsers and not allowing proper rendering... time to come on board if you wnat to start winning back some of the share that ahve been lsot to Opera and Mozilla et al.
It's getting a mess developing sites for multiple browsers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
CNET is reporting from the RSA conference that there is going to be a new version of Internet Explorer out before Longhorn. Unfortunatly it will only run on Windows XP SP2 according to the article. The article also notes the...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<em>"As long as IE remains the driving force in WWW capabilities and makes it easy for me to interact securely with a sometimes dangerous global network, I will stick with it."</em>

Huh? That's exactly what it doesn't do.

Driving force in WWW capabilities? Interact securely? Where have you been the last 5 years?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please add full PNG support, CSS 2.1, XHTML ("application/xhtml+xml") and DOM support.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will, I was referring to the development process for Firefox itself, not for websites. In my opinion, IE has delivered more new Web technologies with each successive release than Firefox could even dream of doing. And by "technologies," I do not refer to such trivial things as tabbed browsing or transparent-PNG-blah-blah. I am referring to under-the-hood capabilities that facilitate websites of amazing sophistication, such as what you will find in companies that use .NET-based Web applications. IE and .NET are so far ahead of Firefox and the OSS community, so off in an advanced league of their own, showing what they can really do, that they have made me an adherent. Firefox kludges along, always playing catchup (except with a few highly visible things like tabbed browsing that most users simply do not give two s***s about), with its advocates wallowing in a false sense of security brought on by obscurity (and NOTHING MORE). I have no respect for Firefox or its sorry excuse for a development "process."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Who cares, FireFox suits me just fine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please add full PNG support, CSS 2.1, XHTML ("application/xhtml+xml") and DOM support.
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January 01, 2003
Unless I'm mistaken XUL isn't a W3C standard.
My only issue with FF users is that they don't shut up about it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Moonshadow » IE7 para el verano
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I guess you're right, Robert, but when CSS3 goes final the properties won't be named -moz-*, so I think it's 'support' of CSS3 is questionable. As for it being a draft, that is true, but the time is running out for MS - they NEED to get IE7 out quickly, and if they want to put in CSS3 they'll have to take a leap of faith which I don't think will backfire in any major way.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Feb 15th 2005 - Delivering a keynote address at the RSA Conference in San Francisco today, Bill Gates announced the next version of Internet Explorer. Version 7's main feature appears to be improved security adding to an already ongoing drive...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
BIG FLAMING YAWN!!!!

I refuse to downgrade from Win ME to Win XP. So I guess I'll just have to keep using Firefox as my favorite browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am a Firefox user, and I do agree with a lot of the things being said here. However, this is an MSDN blog. YOU chose to come here, and YOU chose to read this post. Why don't you show your appreciation for Firefox in a different place, and let the contructive comments from the IE users and developers flow here.

cheers,
kisps
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
???IE 7 Code!!!!!!!??? <Anne's Weblog about Markup & Style>
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am a Firefox user, and I do agree with a lot of the things being said here. However, this is an MSDN blog. YOU chose to come here, and YOU chose to read this post. Why don't you show your appreciation for Firefox in a different place, and let the contructive comments from the IE users and developers flow here.

cheers,
kisps
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It sounds like people are getting excitied, way too excited. You guys are going to have the problem of the product not living up to the hype and excitement.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE6 has some major problems with something called "closures". See http://www.bazon.net/mishoo/articles.epl?art_id=824 for more information.

I hope you guys get around fixing that, because it gives us serious issues, and I know it is an issue with things like www.CommunityServer.com (the old ASP.Net Forums) and www.DotNetNuke.org (the primary portal solution for Windows Servers).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Feel free to fix HTTP level stuff as well. For example I publish a .zip file on my website. When IE accesses, it says it accepts gzip and deflate as a transfer encoding. The web server does just that. But IE doesn't then decode the transfer encoding. That leaves it claiming the zip is corrupt.

And every time a user complains, I tell them use a standards compliant browser that won't do stupid things like request particular transfer encodings and then not understand them. In fact any other browser will work.

And every day those people try new browsers, are very happy and thank me.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MSFT Guys,

C'mon, people who come here are not so much interested in security announcements (TechNet is the right place for them). Any commitment in terms of improving web standards and finishing what you started with CSS, and improving support of DOM, XML content types, PNG, XHTML, etc?

Can you for once say, "Yes, there's commitment" or "No, we're not committing?" Pleeeease?

Begging, pleading, yelling doesn't help. What does?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
N.N. Thayer:

Anything IE does 'under the hood' that doesn't comply with W3C standards is nonsense. This proprietary attitude is exactly what led to the uprising of superior browsers and the stagnant, domineering attitude of MS regarding updates to IE (until today, anyway).

Yes, there are cool things that can be done with .NET and IE specifically. But to limit yourself by developing with proprietary technologies of one company that target one browser is simply shortsighted and self-centered. It puts you at the mercy of that company to decide what is right and wrong, rather than an entire body of people representing many companies, attitudes, research, facts, opinions, and walks of life.

Again, why pigeonhole yourself into your own demise?
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January 01, 2003
Thanks Slashdot for all the insightful comments! I know I lend a lot of creedence to people who punctuate their arguments with 'M$'. :}

http://img116.exs.cx/img116/9551/20020722l1hh.gif

Anyway, should be interesting to see what they come up with. Till them I'm sticking to firefox. Cheers!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
(quote)
I am a Firefox user, and I do agree with a lot of the things being said here. However, this is an MSDN blog. YOU chose to come here, and YOU chose to read this post. Why don't you show your appreciation for Firefox in a different place, and let the contructive comments from the IE users and developers flow here.

cheers,
kisps
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I did not come here to "show appreciation for FF". I came here to criticize the decision to release IE 7 for XP and not for ME.

If there is ever an IE 7 release for Win ME I will try it with an open mind. If there isn't then I will happily use FF.

Sorry I did not make that clear the first time.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How can you do this? M$ has said all along that the OS and the browser were inseparable... At least that's what Alchin said...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Hey...whiners...try designing to the REAL standard and go bug FF and Opera to render those pages."
You obviously have no clue as to what you're talking about.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft will finally release a new Internet Explorer browser this summer. Originally, the browser was to be introduced with the new longhorn operating system but Microsoft changed their plans. Firefox certainly played a key role in this decision. This...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I came across this post on the Internet Explorer blog on MSDN this afternoon. In it Dean talks about Microsofts committment to IE7 on XPSP2, but says virtually nothing else about features or functionality. IMO it's about time Microsoft talked about about features and not just committment.
<blockquote>Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.
First, some basics: we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. This new release will build on the work we did in Windows XP SP2 and (among other things) go further to defend users from phishing as well as deceptive or malicious software.
Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: “Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment.”
I think of today’s announcement as a clear statement back to our customers: “Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”
<a title="IE7" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx">IE7</a></blockquote>
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Snuffkin, where exactly did I repeat myself?

I had three distinct points (the reason why IE7 will see daylight; the lack of its versions for older Windows; the problem IE will have chasing a moving target). I do not see any repetition.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a geek, who often gets called for various tech problems, I can tell that converting people to firefox is an easy task once they understand how they got into trouble. It's not even a matter of how good IE7 might become, those people have lost faith in IE. Restauring that faith would be no easy task, and they just won't bother looking back, for that they are the kind who wants something that works and just forget about it. Those users are probably lost for good to IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Reading this post about IE7 beta, without discussing any possible features has just convinced me to switch to FireFox.

I would have been happy to stick with IE for another few years, but seeing the lack of support for pre-XP/SP2 (which I'm running); I can't foresee people actually wanting to stick with IE: those without the latest OS will just move to FF in absence of a new IE, everyone else will realize that the standard has moved away from IE and will also move.

I see this announcement as the end of IE's 'monopoly' on the Windows platform.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Reading this post about IE7 beta, without discussing any possible features has just convinced me to switch to FireFox.

I would have been happy to stick with IE for another few years, but seeing the lack of support for pre-XP/SP2 (which I'm running); I can't foresee people actually wanting to stick with IE: those without the latest OS will just move to FF in absence of a new IE, everyone else will realize that the standard has moved away from IE and will also move.

I see this announcement as the end of IE's 'monopoly' on the Windows platform.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
TOO BAD XP SP 2 DOESN'T WORK THAT GOOD TO BEGIN WITH.

THANK GOODNESS FOR LINUX, APACHE AND FIREFOX.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all."

Shut them up why?
Are you honestly cheerleading for a company's web browser? The question you have to ask yourself is: Why?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Great news!

How many security probmes can we expect?
100's?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all."

Shut them up why?
Are you honestly cheerleading for a company's web browser? The question you have to ask yourself is: Why?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>>I guess you're right, Robert, but when CSS3 goes final the properties won't be named -moz-,

I imagine the -moz- attributes will be renamed to the CSS3 Draft specs in the Mozilla code when CSS is finalized and accepted by the W3C. Until then, Mozilla hides them so they won't be used "in the wild" and / or adopted as proprietary like IE's css filter.

>>I think it's 'support' of CSS3 is questionable

CSS3 isn't a standard yet... it's a draft. So, their support is about as existant as the CSS3 standard. That is, there is a "draft" support of CSS3 in Mozilla. If IE implements a similar / the same draft support of CSS3 in IE7 (assuming CSS3 isn't out by then), I won't complain. But full support of a draft isn't standards compliance, just like reading the first draft of a novel doesn't mean that you read the final printed draft of a novel.

No, Mozilla doesn't support CSS3 in so far as it uses the same tags the draft suggests, but the ability to do things in the CSS3 draft is already in Mozilla. But CSS3 isn't a standard yet, and we are all clamouring (well, most of us :) for standards support, not draft support.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dean,

Is this the accountants decision or have you finally started listening to developers.

IE 6 is a discrace in its current form and I have a feeling IE7 is going to be another awful product simply being used to try and grapple back the small proportion of your monopoly you have lost to FF.

Wacko
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January 01, 2003
Wait till I come! » Internet Explorer 7 ante portas?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@BOSCO
Get a grip. You're embarrassing the open source community.
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January 01, 2003
"Anything IE does 'under the hood' that doesn't comply with W3C standards is nonsense."

Tell that to all the companies that base, successfully, their core operations around the capabilities of .NET, IE, and other Microsoft products. Sure doesn't seem like nonsense to them. They, and the public, couldn't care LESS about W3C standards; the W3C (and IETF) do not keep pace anymore with emerging technologies. Any standards org that doesn't keep pace risks becoming irrelevant. With IE holding 90% of the market, it is the standard, no matter now much OSS advocates whine about Microsoft (and end users) ignoring the W3C.

"This proprietary attitude is exactly what led to the uprising of superior browsers"

All the alternative browsers put together hold a paltry 10% of the market, and IE continues to set standards and drive the Web. I'd hardly call that an uprising.

"But to limit yourself by developing with proprietary technologies of one company that target one browser is simply shortsighted and self-centered."

To limit yourself to the slow-moving technologies of standards organizations that have ceased to stay on top of new technologies, capabilities, potential, is simlpy shortsighted and self-centered. Microsoft moves forward, sets standards, stays on top, defines things - no matter how much anti-MS zealots want to believe otherwise.
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January 01, 2003
I don't think it's going to only be for XPSP2. They're FOCUSED on getting it to that platform, but I think when it goes final they'll get it to the others ASAP.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
N.N. Thayer:

Ahhh the sounds of an fat, bloated, egomaniacal aristocracy on the cusp of crumbling are music to my ears.

:)

Keep up the good work.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As you might have guessed by most of the posts here, people want IE7 to be standards compliant. Perhaps you will listen?

It's really disheartening to write a 100% standards compliant website which renders fine in every browser EXCEPT IE. Seriously.

Also, why do the IE fans posting here hate Firefox so much? I mean, there's lots not to like about the current IE, but Firefox seems like a really solid browser to me. I can't really see too much to hate there. Perhaps they can explain what they don't like about it? Perhaps it's reverse zealotry? :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"To limit yourself to the slow-moving technologies of standards"
Excuse me? Hasn't Microsoft's standards been idle since IE6 was released in 2001? Am I wrong? Haven't W3C published several new recommendations in those FOUR YEARS? Isn't .NET a server-side technology which has nothing to do with web standards?

Doesn't Microsoft's standards prevent the kind of competition that has, in the end, resulted in Linux, Mac OS X, Firefox and various other products that have been pushing Microsoft forwards for years now, and that has eventually resulted in this new version of Internet Explorer?

Prove me wrong.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please, please, please save all us web developers days and days of extra work and properly and correctly support CSS and alpha PNGs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The only reason I hate Firefox is because all the FF users seriously headbang me to use it. It's really annoying the hundreds of people trying to get me to switch, when I made a decision and I think they should respect it. Other than that, I think, well, Firefox is decent, and I respect people's decisions to use it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nice to hear that you have "listened" and are "committed", but that is only with respect to business partners and customers. What about the rest of us? why is it so difficult to submit bugs and enhancements requests for ie? when will you use a public bug tracking system (read bugzilla)?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't wait to download the beta IE 7 and be impressed by your wonderful coding wizardry. I look forward to having to rewrite all my websites to display properly, as well as going back to simple table-based layouts and font tags.

I'm so glad we can finally get rid of the whole cludge that is "css" and go back to good old html with formatting markup embedded.

Oh, and ignore the users asking for tabbed browsing and security fixes. Those are things the end-users have no interest in. Provide the ability to download and install any applications automatically with no user intervention, because those pesky end-users have a tendency to not understand you need all those nifty programs to get the full eXPerience.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'll will stay with Firefox but as a webdevelopper, I hope that it will have full XHTML/CSS2 (even CSS3) + PNG support and that it will follow the W3C recommendations...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
who needs ie any longer, firefox is the future =)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dear Department of Justice,

The company that said that Internet Explorer was tied to the OS, and therefore couldn't be separated, is now releasing said browser, without an OS. Or, when we download the Beta, is it going to come with Longhorn Beta too?

Please re-open this case, as the biggest argument the defence used, is obviously a lie.

Thank you,
Signed, the Windows users that never wanted IE to begin with.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a web developer I stick with Opera, but also as a web developer I would like to have an easier job of working with designs in IE.

Having better CSS support would be the good along with proper PNG support. These are number ones that I would suggest to anyone for a good web browser.

Unlikely IE 6 has none of these, more than IE 5, but yet doesn't match up to Opera or Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Ahhh the sounds of an fat, bloated, egomaniacal aristocracy on the cusp of crumbling"

See you in a few years.

"in the end, resulted in Linux, Mac OS X, Firefox and various other products that have been pushing Microsoft forwards for years now ... Prove me wrong."

I'd like to see examples of how Linux and OS X have "pushed Microsoft forward." Seems more to me like OSS is always playing catchup. How about that Linux e-mail client that looks so much like Outlook? All the GUI functionality that slowly wedged its way into GNOME, KDE, etc.? Automatic updates? So much of what you see on Linux is just a pale imitation of what Microsoft has already done.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We won't shutup until Microsoft becomes more compatable, interoperable, and has less of a monopoly on the market.

:-|
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
In the name of webdesign, make it pink and fluffy, I dont care. but make it CSS2 and PNG competible, PLEEEEEEASE.
Please.
Please.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"So much of what you see on Linux is just a pale imitation of what Microsoft has already done."

You're so right. Now if Linux could just figure out a way to get all those wonderful Windows viruses to run, then it wouldn't be a pale imitation anymore. Sweet! I'm gonna get right on that.
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January 01, 2003
@Snuffkin

"My only issue with FF users is that they don't shut up about it."

You seem to really wear this on your sleeve. How can "Firefox user" be synonymous with "vocal"? The last thing we need is people making sweeping generalizations about others.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You can put MS on my personal Linux/Firefox pc when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd like to see examples of how Linux and OS X have "pushed Microsoft forward."
It's called competition. Especially Firefox offers this. It doesn't matter whether or not they're playing catchup in terms of features. They're offering free competition, and a small shift in marketshare can result in what's just happened here.
Be thankful there are pale imitations. :-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PLEASE: CSS2.1 is elegant and neat - please think hard and try and get a good implementation (Opera currently has the best implementation around; generated content is very useful). And support serving XHTML as it is supposed to be...

PLEASE: PNG Alpha - pretty please?

PLEASE: DOM2 support.

Funny noone else mentioned these... ;)
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January 01, 2003
Oh, and this is a simple and neat way to maintain backwards compatibility:

http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/06/standard-compliant-ie
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well yes, that's really a lot of information coming from MS. I hoped for some info about features and innovation that I could expect from a new IE. But there is nobody to tell, how come?

In recent years I have been quite happy to find out, how much usability can be integrated into a widely spread software product. Those coming from MS almost always had some new ideas in it to make me stick to MS. But - again - I think this time around, we will have to wait and see, wont we?
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January 01, 2003
"You will still be developing for IE6"
Don't count on it.

@b1: Excellent comment. I disagree about CSS3 as that isn't technically a standard, but otherwise excellent.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think unfortunately the case is going to be that you are doing too little, too late. Firefox has a far superior, more innovative browser then you that is more usable. You are just now starting to work on IE7? Uh, Firefox 1.1 will be out before this beta is out, and probably 2.0 before this goes final.

I actually personally know Ali G, and he uses Firefox to whoever made that previous comment.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There's a serious question to be asked here, namely, does Microsoft understand the problems they have? It's clear they don't care about full standards compliance. I've used ASP.NET for a few pages, and while it's a great technology, it's not the slickest thing on the planet. That means they either had a bad implementation of the idea, or the idea itself was flawed.

So which is it, Microsoft? Are you bad programmers, or bad software designers?

That said, I have to give some props to Microsoft, if only for the good old days. Microsft made some pretty great programs in their day. That day, unfortunately, was about eight years ago. Seriously, I remember DOS more fondly than Windows 95.

If Microsoft was really committed to a better browsing experience, they'd start from scratch. Seriously, just totally rebuild it. Tanenbaum says to "Build one to throw away." I say that one is IE6. Chuck it and start over, Microsoft.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
oerdec.com » Internet Explorer 7 diesen Sommer
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January 01, 2003
This is welcome news!

As a developer, I'm not so much interested in the security improvements than I am hopeful that MS will FINALLY update the rendering engine of IE and include FULL and NON-QUIRKY support for the W3C recommendations mentioned on previous posts here.

HOWEVER, I do have another suggestion. Users should be given some kind of incentive to stop using IE6 (and earlier) without delay, perhaps as part of a mandatory "critical" Windows update, a built-in "expiration" for older versions of IE, and a version of IE 7 for users of versions of Windows other than XP (at least Win2k). Assuming MS delivers on up-to-date standards support, I would like to see IE6 and older removed from the stage in short order- something like 18 months or less.

This could be a very good thing, even for those of us who do not use IE as our personal browser.

And please, after IE7, do not make the web wait another 6 years for a significant update to the rendering engine. Try to keep pace with the competing browsers. MS certainly has the resources to do this.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope they also include the IE Speech Add-in so that pages running MS's SALT code will work. If so, we can finally have websites that are fully controlled and navigated by voice. Now, that would be fun and handy!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please relax, people. It's just a web browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@@N.N. Thayer

Are you suggesting that because something is the most used, it is the best? The market system doesn't work as well in software, because the gap between users and developers is so wide. A user will use a program without knowing about alternatives. It's something akin to only going to the largest chain of stores to shop. Someone else may have a better price, but since this shop is "the biggest" (that is, the most widely used and distributed), it MUST be the best.

That's a flawed assumption. Microsoft is definitely the biggest. Coming from government work, I know just how much MS is used. But I defy you to say it's the best. OSX and Linux are more stable, more secure, and more flexible.
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January 01, 2003
But it'll run in Linux?

I do hate QT and Gecko engine, i'm using Opera just because is the bettest browser, but anyway i don't like QT.

IE 7 + .NET + MONO Windows.Forms + Linux, i would love it
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft may not be innovators, but they're usually quite quick to follow others' work. They just have to be careful not to get too far behind, as they have with their pathetic old browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://www.switch2firefox.com/whyswitch/

http://www.google.fr/search?q=why+switch+to+mozilla&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

We sure seem to be quiet. :p
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A beta, or test, version of Internet Explorer 7 will debut this summer, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect said in a keynote address at the RSA Conference 2005 here. The company had said that it would not ship a...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Woot! It's about time. I hate Firefox. Clunky POS imo. It doesn't even work with StyleXP! :) But, watch out for compelling plug-ins like this: http://www.annodex.net.
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January 01, 2003
I have been reading alot about not running as admin or running IE in a protected process. Can this be a default, running in a restricted mode with the option to temporalily turn on install mode?
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January 01, 2003
The solution to the rendering problems is simple: splice in the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine. Would it really be that hard to make it work with ActiveX (assuming that you have to keep ActiveX in IE7)?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
to "bryce schaufelberger": a popup blocker seems to be already available in IE6 SP2, one year after absolutely all other browser vendors on the planet implemented one. But of course, Microsoft probably claims they invented the popup blocker and you're free and encouraged to believe that.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I just read on the IEBlog that Microsoft will indeed go forward with IE7 for Longhorn and XP SP2. Let's hope that they try to make some standards actually work this time. Read more here...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
what a beautiful day for the cyberspace ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Blog de Jaime Olmo: Print & Web Design » IE7
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January 01, 2003
Very interesting that Microsoft, aka the home of the brave tickets IE7 as a new "commitment to making the situation better." About time!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
" Please relax, people. It's just a web browser. "

Yeah, it is.. but I'm a web developer 8 hours of the day which is 33% of my day. Lets say IE holds 80% of the market share... and it doesn't render pages properly still... so 80% of 33% of my 5 days a week at work... and let's just forget about the weekend worrying for now... that actually comprises a large portion of my life.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please consider releasing an updated version of IE for the MacOS X platform.

The latest version of IE available, IE 5 for Mac, is worse than useless, it requires by far the most hackery to support over any other "current" browser on any platform. It's still used by a fairly large number of people in academic settings. For completeness, we try to support Safari on MacOS X, IE 5 on MacOS, IE 6+ on Windows, and Mozilla/Gecko browsers on MacOS/Un*x/Windows. Out of all of these, IE on Mac is almost the most painful to support.

It's frankly an embarassing product when compared against current alternatives, and a clear indication that Microsoft have abandoned the Mac platform with the exception of the lucrative MS Office suite.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I also feel it necessicary to add this: "More Secure" shouldn't be a feature.. in fact it shouldn't NEED to be mentioned at all.. it shouldn't have been a problem to begin with.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"In yet another example of innovation, Microsoft has invented a feature called Tabbed Web Surfing (tm) (r). Tabbed Web Surfing is a revolutionary user interface for web browsing that Microsoft as its inventor has received over 7,000 patents on."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Following on the heels of <a href="http://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jayoung/site/pages/-9bd56ff988d229e61073e713ee50be12">my commentary</a> and everyone else's in the known Universe for the last several, um, <strong>YEARS</strong>...

Microsoft announced ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"In yet another example of innovation, Microsoft has invented a feature called Tabbed Web Surfing (tm) (r). Tabbed Web Surfing is a revolutionary user interface for web browsing that Microsoft as its inventor has received over 7,000 patents on."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003

Good luck! MS is quickly becoming a dinosaur.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Andrew Ebbatson's Blog Roll » IE7 - Big yawn
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January 01, 2003
Please Microsoft, we are so close of making the standards compliant web a reality! It would be a real shame if IE7 fails to deliver in web standards support. I would like to add support for the public request to have the W3C standards fully supported.

Considering the myriad of web-enabled gadgets we have today like phones, PDAas, TVs and so on, I think this is a critical moment to finally get a fully interoprable web.
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January 01, 2003
Et fa una Volldamm? » Tremolem… ja arriba IE7!
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January 01, 2003
Press releases are all good and fine, but most users want TECHNICAL release info. What will IE7 support?
People will want to start looking into migrating to IE7 compatible code for their sites- I know I will be if there's basics like PNG Alpha support, proper open standards support... until we get a tech release, the Firefox logo stays on my site.
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January 01, 2003
Will IE7 conform to W3C standards ?
What is Microsoft's commitment towards conforming these standards ?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Randall Fitzgerald:
"ALL BROWSERS DESERVE EQUAL CONSIDERATION FROM DEVELOPERS. "

... while the customers end up footing the bill for the required "quirk testing" phase of web design instead of using those budgeted resources to implement site enhancements.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
TABBED BROWSING!! PLEASE!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You can't "get rid of phishing". You can make things harder for phishers -- but eliminating the problem is impossible.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wow, Dan. Somehow you managed to get multiple firewalls spyware detectors and whatnot running on your machine, and yet you couldn't figure out how to override font selection in Firefox. That's funny because I'm nowhere near as computer savy as you, but I managed to find that setting in 60 seconds...

Select Options from the Tools menu (like in IE), select the Fonts and Colors from the General section of the dialog. And click on the bottom checkboxes where it says "Always use my: [x]Fonts [x]Colors"...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would also like to echo what all these other developers are saying regarding rendering and CSS. Security updates are great and all but you're really holding up the potential of the web by the horrible support for CSS and alpha-transparency with PNG's.

Please please please please PLEASE.... I will love MS forever if you do this with IE7. :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dan,

> IE gives my the option of ignoring web sites fonts and using my own choice of font, which I love. I have yet to see any other browser do that.

Firefox: Edit | Preferences | General | Fonts & Colours

Opera: Tools | Preferences | Page Style | Configure Modes

Konqueror: Settings | Configure Konqueror | Stylesheets | Customise

If you have used practically any browser other than Internet Explorer, then what you say is simply not true whatsoever.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
About b!@@&¥ time! That's how Netscape died, waiting for 2 years to come out with an already obsolete Navigator 6. Granted, IE isn't as far behind Firfox as Navigator was behind IE 6, but you are starting a bit late.

And if history teaches anything, it won't be enough just to fix security.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So, today Microsoft reversed their plan-of-record and announced that there will after all be another standalone version of Internet Explorer independent of Longhorn, the next slated version of Windows. You can read the details for yourself on the IE Blog....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello there.

Thank you for the announcment. I am very please that Microsoft is willing to communicate to its potential customers about the development of IE7. As a web designer, I want to have some way of communicating with Microsoft about CSS rendering bugs.

As it stand right now, when desigining a pagem I design it on Firefox. I then verify it on Opera (it almost always looks fine there), and then proceed to find workarounds for IE's bugs. Let me give you just one example.

This honors borders in Firefox 1.0 and Opera 7.5/8:

<table id=main><tr><td width=630>
Here I put a lot of content.
</td></tr></table>

Where the style for main is:

#main {
padding: 5px;
border: 1px solid #000;
}

However, MSIE doesn't honor that. What I had to do was this:

<table id=main><tr><td width=630>
<div id=msie-bug>
Here I put a lot of content.
</div>
</td></tr></table>

Where the style msie-bug is:

#msie-bug {
padding: 5px;
}

Another issue with MSIE is that I like to be able to
run multiple versions of MSIE on the same computer, so I can more easily do cross-brwoser testing. Right now, one computer is used for IE5 testing, and another is used for IE6 testing.

- Sam
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January 01, 2003
Better security - good!
Listening to your users - great!
...but when will you start listening to web designers and support CSS, XHTML, XML, PNG and all that other stuff that didn't exist in 1995 (which aproximately was the last time IEs rendering engine was updated)?
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January 01, 2003
Microsoft announces Internet Explorer 7, in beta by summer. Why? According to the IE blog:Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I refuse to use FF for reasons I reserve from this discussion.

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I haven't gotten -1- piece of malware since I started using FireFox, any neither has anyone I know who I convinced to switch.
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I haven't gotten -1- piece of malware since I started using IE, any neither has anyone I know who has brains.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
from the weblog comments you can deduce that the majority of slashdot readers have a mental age of 12, and enjoy anonymous e-arguments with their imaginary rivals at Microsoft, who, unlike Firefox, have to pay people to work.
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January 01, 2003
Please! please! please! support as much of w3c standards as you can!

XHTML 2, XFORMS, MathML, DOM, CSS2, CSS3 etc.

Assuming you do this - Well Done!!

Given the recent Bill Gates comments about interoperability I hope you will use IE7 as the opportunity to make a fantastic step forward.

Other features: Pluggin/Extenmsion support improvements.

BTW: Tabbed browsing would be cool as well ;-)

Kym
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January 01, 2003
Snuffkin wrote:

> I haven't gotten -1- piece of malware since I started using IE, any neither has anyone I know who has brains.

The problem is that MS says that evryone can/should use a computer. I agree with that. Having this in mind u can't give an unsecure browser that gets hijacked at the first pr0nsite to a highly non-technical, unexperienced user.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yeah, I heard the news that Microsoft is going to move forward with Internet Explorer 7. My initial reaction? Wow, that’s pretty cool, maybe we can move this whole Web thing a bit farther forward! But then, on a long...
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January 01, 2003
IE already had support for PNG :
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;294714

I'm just wondering why the support isn't enabled by default whenever it encounters a PNG file... ?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One thing the success of Firefox has done is woken up Microsoft, originally they had planned no updates to IE until the release of their next generation operating system codenamed Longhorn. However, the amazing success of Firefox has meant that Microsoft
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good news, any chance of a list of intended features?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Yes, using MS software does require that you use other add-on tools and do your Windows updates, but so what? That's just part of this business and goes with the territory."

But it doesn't have to go with the territory, you've just accepted that it's a necessary evil.

"I build PCs and maintain Windows systems for a living (WS2K3/XP/SBS/Win2K)."

And here's why you've accepted that necessary evil. All the issues that pop up with Windows and IE keep you employed. If there wasn't the need to use a myriad of add-on tools, software and hardware firewalls, update regularly, and consistently scan for viruses, adware, spyware etc, you wouldn't have a job.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So what is happening is like you'll put a ad-blocker, tabbed browsing and some new check boxes in tools->options in yet another atempt to confuse already dead-confuse users then you call it IE7? Do I see any W3C standard you finally want to support? Do I see ActiveX out of IE? No! All I see is just marketing buz, and you propably get surprised when you see no one is believing your lies anymore. You have to write IE again, this time from scratch , with a bit of security in mind or expect the annihilation of your lovely IE in the True World of Open Source.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ohhh yes! I really like Internet Explorer, and I can´t wait the new release...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd like to point out at the outset that I'm not bashing IE. Yes, I'm disgusted that MS basically let it wither away, and I've felt ActiveX was dubious from the outset. But I was also one of the first to download IE6 and the previous versions when they first came out. What I'm trying to do correct some faulty thinking amongst some.

@Snuffkin:

"Unless I'm mistaken XUL isn't a W3C standard."

Yes, it's an interface language that's used internally on the various bits of software built as part of the Mozilla project. It is not for use in websites. In fact, it doesn't even impact on people developing websites even slightly. All it does is make interface development easier for the Moz developers.

Its one thing in arguing in favour of IE. But your arguments need to be real ones rather than just picking things and saying "ha! so there!" It sounds childish.

BTW, XUL is just like XAML, except it existed before XAML was a twinkle in its originator's eye.

"I guess you're right, Robert, but when CSS3 goes final the properties won't be named -moz-, so I think it's 'support' of CSS3 is questionable."

The -moz- bit means that its experimental and isn't to be depended upon. That's because CSS3 is still a draft rather than a recommendation. When it becomes a recommendation, it's trivial to removed the prefixes. So it's not questionable: it's there, they've just have it properly marked as part of the draft.

"The only reason I hate Firefox is because all the FF users seriously headbang me to use it. It's really annoying the hundreds of people trying to get me to switch, when I made a decision and I think they should respect it. Other than that, I think, well, Firefox is decent, and I respect people's decisions to use it."

That's better. But you're your own person. I use Firefox and I'm enthusiastic about it, but I'd never headbang somebody about it.

Still, what they're doing is grassroots marketing. It's what Coke and Pepsi do, except at another level. However, bashing Firefox because of that rather than on its merits as a browser isn't right.

@N.N. Thayer:

"Will, I was referring to the development process for Firefox itself, not for websites."

Glacial though Mozilla's initial development was, that's never been so with Firefox. If anything they've made blazing progress.

"In my opinion, IE has delivered more new Web technologies with each successive release than Firefox could even dream of doing."

This is a baseless argument. You need examples. You also need to take into account that in the last five years, they (the Mozilla project) have managed to build what took MS ten years to from scratch.

And they've produced a lot of useful technologies that can be applied outside of their original sphere while they were at it.

Featurewise, the only thing that gecko-based browsers lack, if that's the word, is support for ActiveX, and that's no bad thing quite frankly. And in a lot of areas it outstrips IE.

"And by 'technologies,' I do not refer to such trivial things as tabbed browsing or transparent-PNG-blah-blah. I am referring to under-the-hood capabilities that facilitate websites of amazing sophistication, ..."

Like decent CSS support? Like near-perfect DOM compliance? These are things that Firefox has and IE doesn't because they've been working on them while IE has been left, unfortunately, to fester.

"such as what you will find in companies that use .NET-based Web applications."

Now stop there. You're spouting rubbish there. .NET is server-based. It doesn't matter what browser you're using. This is not an argument against anything.

Now, if you're thinking of the likes of ActiveX controls, stop there. Whether ActiveX support is a feature or a misfeature is quite debatable.

"IE and .NET are so far ahead of Firefox and the OSS community, so off in an advanced league of their own, showing what they can really do, that they have made me an adherent."

I repeat: .NET has nothing to do with Firefox. Firefox, as it stands, is a more powerful browser than IE6. Maybe IE7 will change this, maybe it won't. We'll see.

However, how you can say that they're in "an advanced league of their own" is quite beyond me.

"Firefox kludges along, always playing catchup (except with a few highly visible things like tabbed browsing that most users simply do not give two s***s about),"

For now, it's caught up and is currently outpacing IE, which isn't surprising seeing as IE's been moribund for so long.

"with its advocates wallowing in a false sense of security brought on by obscurity (and NOTHING MORE)."

The sense of security isn't false. It comes from the fact that everything in the browser is properly sandboxed. This is not so with IE, which depends on trust.

"I have no respect for Firefox or its sorry excuse for a development 'process.'"

Less bile and more reason, please.

@kisps:

"Why don't you show your appreciation for Firefox in a different place, and let the contructive comments from the IE users and developers flow here."

You're indeed correct. The IE users ought not be flaming other browsers too.

@anonymous coward:

"I think Microsoft's best option would be to drop development of IE/Win too"

Not an option: the GUI depends on it too much.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ludovic, that KB talks about a workaround to get alpha blending (partial transparency) to work and is very IE specific.

People are asking for IE to natively support alpha blend transparent PNGs, not that kind of workaround.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey, maybe you guys can get a new version of the Yugo out, too!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Put in full and automatic PNG transparency support! I'm sure others have said this, but I want to emphasize it again:

Put in and automatic PNG transparency support!!!!

Full XHTML and CSS support, obviously, are important too. Otherwise? I will stick to using Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And how about actually releasing IE7 for W2K users instead of keeping it for WXP and above?

Don't tell me it's not doable, everyone managed to do it but Microsoft until now
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
First of all, thank you for IE7, it's about time !

And I'd like to ask you guys NOT to support JPEG2000, that bloated, unnecessarily complicated, not-better-than-JPEG-for-most-uses, bureaucratic committee standard.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thanks !
Please add full web standards compliances, webmasters really feel handicaped by IE6. You are responsible for the future of the WWW, and you know you prevent creation and great designs with IE6.
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January 01, 2003
The nicest part about this announcement is that it means virtually nothing to me. It's nice to be able to say that. For years, we've been stuck in browser-limbo, forced to use Internet Explorer. Now, my entire enterprise has fixed our web applications so they work outside of IE, we've mostly migrated to FireFox, and IE is only an afterthought.

I remember my excitement downloading IE 4, 5 and 6, to see what new gifts I'd find. Now I just don't care. When I sit down to Firefox, with its perfect cookie management, mouse gestures, tabbed browsing (with an amazing Tabbrowing Preferences extension), integrated BugMeNot, integrated web searching and dictionary plugins, integrated RSS, none of IE's annoying quirks, and so much more, I'm still amazed at how much more enjoyable my browsing experience is. It actually pains me to use IE.

For the sake of the web and expediency, I hope Microsoft improves IE in 7.0. But I honestly don't care much if they do. Barring an incredible effort in IE7, Internet Explorer has reached its apex. I'm convinced of that. Firefox -- with all its many extensions -- is just insurmountably better than IE at this point. It's only a matter of 18-24 months before Firefox wins Browser War 2.0.

Microsoft doesn't believe users are ready for things like mouse gestures. They would never build that feature for Internet Explorer. But when I show it to my non-techie friends and co-workers, they demand I install it, and they use it religiously. When I visit my mom, I'll catch her making mouse gestures in My Computer, or Word, cursing the fact that they don't work there. You don't need to be a techie to dig on these types of features, but Microsoft will never implement them.

Thus, Firefox will win.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7 "Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.” Predictions?...
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January 01, 2003
In other news:
3DRealms director is qouted saying that long awaited Duke Nukem Forever (Beta) is finally out this summer, stating "If Microsoft can do it, Why can't we!"
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Only it tastes better.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>> You are responsible for the future of the WWW

Saying that is basically saying you believe MS constols the internet. This couldn't be further from the truth. They only have an iron grip over the internet because web developers LET THEM, a grip which is now being weakened by 25 million+ people who've had enough.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How did you harden your servers and bandwidth and bridging infrastructure, knowing that this news was going to prompt the mother of all slashdottings to this blog?

(lowercase s, i recognize there will be loads of traffic from other sites too)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just like to reiterate the desire for better standards compliance with XHTML 1.1 ( application/xhtml+xml mime type ), CSS2, CSS pseudo class selectors ( :hover, :focus, etc on all elements ), PNG, Dom, etc.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is great news! Just in time too.

When will be find out what exact features will be in IE7?
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January 01, 2003
Love Firefox, but need IE at work. Why? ActiveX on key apps' browser interfaces. Good work locking out other platfroms MS! Without ActiveX, IE would be dying much faster.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The problem is that I don't see any light in this dark tunnel for Microsoft to make a better version of IE. It's easier to drop the whole IE and start with developing a new browser than trying to patch IE becuase it will never end.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why do I care?

I run Linux and Firefox and haven't sold my soul to a convicted monopolist.

I'm happy and free whatever happens...
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Why are transparent PNGs such a big deal? I had no idea they were that prevalent. I join everyone else on my hopes that IE7 fully complies to web standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think a new version of IE is especially usefull for the ones who are very loyal to MS products and haven't made a browser switch yet. I don't think Mozilla or Opera users will switch back.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Any readers of Gladwell's tipping point here? This is a classic tipping point situation. Mozilla was for the enthusiasts. Firefox killed one of the main complaints about Mozilla -- it's perceived slowness -- and with the spread of that meme came the early adopters. With Firefox 1.0, the Early Majority is building.

Firefox Mavens and Salesmen are out there proselytizing to their friends. Firefox users are so pleased by the product they insist others try it whenever they have the opportunity to show it.

It's going to take a lot more than IE7.0 to stop Firefox from tipping.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
>>we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners

Shouldn't that read 'we listened to customers, analysts, business partners AND DEVELOPERS'.

Oh, I've got that 'cold blood' thing going on.

PNG alpha, css2, SVG, guys! Let someone else do the design for you. It's called 'standards' for a reason.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You need a licence to use GIF's. You can sell the viewing of GIF's. PNG is much more advanced but is free. Billy don't like that. And then we are were we allways end up. THEY make more money and YOU get the old stuff, the malware, the spyware etc. IE had a very bad reputation and it's not going to change because 7 is a lucky number.
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Obviously better security and protection from spyware/malware is welcome. But since we can get those things outside the browser, we still need to run stand-alone spyware/malware apps.

I want to echo every sentiment here about improved web standards support and better graphics standards support.

I also want substantial user interface improvements. You can do all you want with standards or security, but I'll never go back to using a browser without tabs.
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ok, standard "XHTML, CSS, Etc support" requests aside, the biggest thing i'd like to see out of IE7 is ECMAScript4 support. Microsoft did a good thing in basing large bits of JScript.Net off it. I say you should beat Mozilla.org at its own game & get full support out. For those of you who dont know, ECMAScript4 / JavaScript 2.0 is a major update to the language. it introduces a large number of features including true class based inheritence, namespaces, real types, and a strict mode. anyone who's tried to do anything heavy-duty in javascript knows these things would make life significantly more sane.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why would anyone bother with IE if the only enhancements are security related? There are plenty of secure alternatives which also have much more standards support. If you had really listened to what people are saying, you would be greatly improving the rendering engine as well. Until then, IE will be inferior to every other modern browser in existence.
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January 01, 2003
MS needs to make standards compliance priority #1. If IE7 doesn't have DOM2, CSS2 and at least some part of CSS3, XMLHTTPRequest as a NON-ACTIVEX object that is syntax compatible with every other browser out there (how hard can this be for a company that practically oozes billions of dollars??), and Javascript 1.5 (hello, try/catch?! good lord IE6 is out of date!)... Tabbed browsing is a distant, distant second to standards compliance.

The sad thing is, we're likely just going to see some sad security update and probably the introduction of some new Active-X or XAML-related vendor lock-in nonsense. I'm not holding my breath.
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January 01, 2003
why MS bother to make IE7 when there is Firefox??!?!?!:)
better make something windows works fast, stable and secure.
oooh i see IE7 is somthing like by way of an apology that longhorn i delayed another year:)
blah ...
:)))
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx">Word is</a> Internet Explorer 7 is coming this year.</p>
<p>Yawn</p>
<p>So far no one has given a reason to use it. Plus, since it's from Microsoft, you know it's going to be buggy.</p
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope you guys read all this.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello, I have a question about IE 7: Is it going to support any platforms other than WinXP and Longhorn? I currently use IE 6 with Linux (using Crossover Office wine 4.1) and it works quite well. Will MS be supporting Linux users with this release also?

And the other question is about PNGs. When are we going to get correct PNG support? This should be an almost-trivial fix and it is years overdue.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OMG, Microsoft forces us to use IE? How silly can you be. Yes it is part of the OS to ... drum roll ... allow other MS products and 3rd party products to not have to reinvent the wheel.

Being an avid Firefox user on Windows, I find the idea that MS prevents us from using another broser silly just due to the fact that so many of us ARE using another browser.
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January 01, 2003
Sounds like Microsoft was not hearing complaints from users before firefox stepped on the stage.

Why Microsoft has always been unctuous like this?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Internet Explorer 7 Announced! Glory! - Elliott Back
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Main thing standards! 4 as webmaster always must check site both in IE and in Opera and Firefox. If all are make standard to me will more simply develop sites.
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January 01, 2003
Today, in his keynote for the 2005 RSA conference, Bill Gates announced, among other things, that Microsoft would be releasing a new version of Internet Explorer (IE7) for the XP SP2 platform.
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January 01, 2003
Security 360
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
royalrodent.com » Internet Explorer 7 Beta Arrives This Summer
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
perhaps IE7 will use the gecko engine....
With a IE-esque interface.

And sites that use ActiveX will need to be registered with some Microsoft depository, by paying an exhorbitant sum of money. So, all ActiveX codes must be downloaded from microsoft.com or local machine only. This service can be called OnlyOne.NET :D
That'll curb some security concerns.... and extra revenue for MS :D
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Das Thomas Promny Blog » Internet Explorer 7 kommt
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm not sure I see the urgency. Dean Edwards has already released IE7 - see http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ for details. It's simple code that you can insert into your web pages that makes IE standards compliant.

Now that IE is "standards compliant" (not that it wanted to be), an IE7 release (for Windows XP and Longhorn) just to add tabbed browsing doesn't seem compelling compared against Mozilla Firefox on Mac, Linux, and Windows.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oh nooo, another version to be compatible with...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@N.N. Thayer:

"How about that Linux e-mail client that looks so much like Outlook? All the GUI functionality that slowly wedged its way into GNOME, KDE, etc.? Automatic updates? So much of what you see on Linux is just a pale imitation of what Microsoft has already done."

Someone forgot that MS ripped off the whole window-based GUI thing from Mac! Doooop! Embarassed!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The web design community's chorus of support for Firefox will only increase if IE7 continues the relativistic approach to web standards displayed by all previous versions of MSIE, the web designer's bane.

"...can't we all get along?"
Having standards and complying
with them is the best way.

This isn't an excuse for
some of the heated comments above
- a bit forgiveable if you've
ever made a web page using IE, only
to discover what it looks like later in
a real browser like Firefox -
but a standards compliant IE7, available
on any platform, would go along way to
reducing their number.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yet another good thing about Firefox--it's apparently forcing MSFT to give people a slightly less horrible browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is such a illusion that MS is trying to make with IE being any good for intranet/web apps.

IE is too slow to make responsive web interface, has its bugs and quirks and bunch of custom extensions that aren't anything extraordinary these days.

Alternatively you can write standard code that works everywhere with no hassle (except IE). It's easy (cheap) to deploy. No need to upgrade Windows and download patches/upgrades. Just 4mb Firefox/Opera download and you've got your workstation set!

Even if W3C standards cannot handle some areas, you can write Firefox extension that has more power than ActiveX control (works with browser, not with page instance), but is still easy to deploy and is portable across platforms!

IE has lost its market here.

MS has lots to catch up. You won't get CSS2 working in 6 months unless you plan to embed Gecko engine ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why not make this a real blog and respond to directly in a post some some of the repeated comments in this thread?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all."

Well, I'm running Firefox on FreeBSD. Is MS planning on making a version for *BSD or *nix at all?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is good news, I think.

Will you work with the other browser vendors to standardize on... standards? Whomever ends up driving a standardization of browsers will be a hero, in my mind. In some cases it might mean bringing the "other guy" up to your technology, if you've got the goods, and the other guy does not. Sharing or standardizing on the current standard.

It is a crying shame that implementations of standards and language (e.g. ECMA script) vary to the extent that one needs to write different pages/code for the different browsers (particularly IE v.s. others).

Can you imagine how many thousand... perhaps million man-hours have been wasted due to the lack of a standard? The impac of these decisions boggle the mind.

If you standardize and the 'Net and the world's economies will leap forward.

Push one-off browser technology and you've hurt everyone, and held the world back - its not esoteric, we're talking bread and butter, and less of it for the world.

Imagine the current IT world without standard x86 architecture.

Might we still be watching Big Blue install software on mainframes?

Happy developing,

Songzilla guy
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope Microsoft will make my privacy and security a higher priority than the interests of its big businesses customers. When will they realize that my privacy and security are more important to me than interoperability? I can find a way to do just about anything without a computer, but once companies are watching and tracking my every mouse click and key entry, I can't recover my privacy!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
nobody trusts microsoft for security, so why would they use an MS browser ever again? I know many people that use firefox find the extensions to be incredible.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
pleeease include IDN support ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yes, it’s true! Microsoft announced that they would release IE7 beta this summer. Microsoft says that due to the pressure of the customers and competators, namely Mozilla Foundation’s Firefox, they will release a version of IE7 for Windows XP. Microsoft’s...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hear the death bells ringing for IE. I can hear the march to the cemetery beginning... Bill and Ballmer leading the pack weeping and wondering why they failed to keep ahold of the browser market.

Face it.. Firefox is a much more fantastic browser. It sticks to the standards and doesn't make up its own. Firefox is better constructed and more solid than IE has ever been. (and will ever be)

For whom the bell tolls... I smell rotting MSIE. :-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why not release IE 7 with an up to date Java VM?
-Programmer
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Also, for you interoperability clowns out there. You're always going on about how monocultures are bad. You often use biological arguments to back your points. Well, why are you so keen on standards then? Surely different software and platforms give 'genetic' diversity, different standards give memetic diversity."

Yes, why, that's the answer! The ISO doesn't know what they're doing, right? I mean, why write code that will work in all browsers, rather than rewrite the site so that it will work in IE? Redundant work is so efficient!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
see dean hachamovitch in this channel 9 video
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=17498

what a joke IE is
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is great news, so is this new version based on behind the scenes stuff? i.e. stuff that won't be apparent to the end user but will be working in the background to enhance and imrpove their browsing experience?

Are there going to be the much demanded features which third party browsers have supported for a while? i.e. tab browsing, a simple built in download manager supporting pause/resume? Great news nonetheless.

Hope to hear more from you guys, keep it up!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No tabbed browsing, me stay with Firefox. Period.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This summer?! In the meantime I'll be migrating my company to Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ryan Parr Portfolio | Eugene, OR | Web Design, Professional Web Contractor and Web Design Developer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't believe people are thinking MS is really trying to listen to end-users comments.
MS never ever in his history listened to any of his end-usrs. If they did, they weren't where they are now in the first place.

Unfortunately, IE7 will be nothing more than MS' answer to the invasion of Firefox. Rushing tabbed browsing and pop-up blocker to another version of IE, only to give developers another reason to add IE7 logo to their "compatible with...." list.

Unless MS admits to his past mistakes and come forward as a honest party by grouping with open source community to develope a standard browser, even releasing IE 9 and 10 will have no effect on rising the end-users' need to have a decent and safe browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well how about that? It looks like Microsoft is actually going to release Internet Explorer 7 before Longhorn hits the...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Instead of IE7, maybe Microsoft should call it YAIE ( Yet Another IE ) Why anyone would even bother? Show them something Firefox doesn't have and maybe they believe. So why not just come up with the real truth?
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Not to sound like everyone else who just dumps on IE out of hatred, I can't imagine any customer in their right mind praising Internet Explorer for its compatibility or extensibility. What they're probably saying is more like "Fix it now, or take it out of Windows."
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
waffle
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January 01, 2003
tgecho » IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good news to hear! Fully CSS2 support is really called for as well as security-related issues. And Doctype switching bug (<?xml ...?> works in quirks mode) also should be fixed.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MS must be scared be scared of Firefox
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
FINNISH IE FIRST, then add features!

As long as you finish support for HTML4, CSS2, and PNG I'll be happy. Each of these specs are over 5 years old!

Web standards should be the MAIN focus of of the upgrade.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm an Opera lover myself - would love to see IE 7 incorporate many of the great features Opera and many other alternative browsers have. Tabbed browsers, low resource use etc.....

Look forward to seeing the Beta this summer - perhaps in time for my July 7th birthday? LOL
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<p>As everyone has probably this morning, <a href="http://news.com.com/Reversal+Next+IE+update+divorced+from+Windows/2100-1032_3-5577263.html">the browser wars are back</a>. Our biggest opponent has <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/37
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
darn those typos -- I want a finished version of IE, not one for Finland (sorry Finland)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ping Back来自：blog.csdn.net
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd have to say that while this is some vindication for those of us Windows users who have been on the defensive recently due to the growing Firefox trend (which is good software, too, mind you), I'm concerned that this new version of Internet Explorer might come off as a bit spartan.

What I mean is, sure, it's good that security-related capabilities have a good chance of getting fixed in Version 7, but how about open standards like CSS, XML, MathML, and the like? Over the years of my writing web sites and using IE, I have been hoping that IE move more and more towards compatibility with these specifications. I'm pretty impressed with how IE handles cascading style sheets right now; it's an integral part of any web project I start (both IE and the style sheets, I mean). But what about the others? HTML 4?

Historically, I observe that I have strong brand loyalty, and I have been an MS-DOS and Windows user for a long long time. Here's to hoping that my browser finally deals with the standards. Good luck. ^_^
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Standards, standards, standards.

People who don't create websites won't understand, but it will benefit everyone who uses the web if IE creates a standards-compliant browser - CSS, CSS2, XML, XHTML, PNG, etc. Leave out support for proprietary coding - if necessary, you can release an enterprise version with proprietary support, which is only necessary and useful in that sort of situation. Home users do not need ActiveX in their browser, and it only makes it less secure by being there. If you can stick to standards and include updates to them, websites will get better due to improvements in the standard since IE was last updated, layout will improve, less work will have to be done to create sites. Everyone will benefit.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wonder If the improvements list will come out Or will not? Witout It the IE7 Beta will be only a try to stop the IE Share fall.
I think (and I'm almost sure) IE7 Will not Include better support for CSS, PNG or any other new standar. If they haven't been able to do It in some years, will be almost Imposible in some months, Right Dean? The development required to make IE get all those features Is Huge, Development Is slow, and In order to change lot of things you would need to do what Netscape did, rewrite the entire engine. That will result In the same history: the browser In Beta stage, with more /* TODO: ...*/ in the code will lose the war.
I love Firefox, that's right; But I write html to people use IE I only would love to not to work twice for these people, for this browser, that makes my CSS a waste of time. I want to be optimistic about IE's future, But I'm sorry, I can't.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good news, I think after release of IE 7, share of IE is gonna increase for sure.. (provided they have common thing like tabbed browsing & FAST browsing)

cheers
Deep
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And the IE7 will then have all the features an Opera oder Firefox have today? Has it transparent PNG support?
Do make again your own SPECS and not the real ones from the webconsortium?

Wow!...And what a fast and hard development for an supposed desktop lader.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey,

don't forget to include in ie7 all the nice security holes for the kids in school! :-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please PLEASE do not support the CSS 3 Draft. There're nothing worse than a major browser with the market share like IE to support an unfinalized draft of a web standard. Guys, we have been suffered before. Netscape, IE all tried to "support" technology that was still in their draft state, and the result is a series of non-standard implementations that affect us for a long long time. Please don't repeat the same mistakes.

But it would be great to fully support CSS 1/2, XHTML, PNG, etc.

XUL support? I really don't have any interest in it. NOTE: Yes, it's an open standard, but it's a very Mozilla centric technology. IMO, instead of supporting XUL, it would be a better idea to develop an open source implementation of Avalon to the Mozilla project!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@jojo

All these market share of for trash! They are unreal.

The 10% of the market are only, because nobody knows about an Firefox or Opera. Do you really believe all users are installing their browser own? Or can it install self?
In most firms are old IEs installed, which are unpatched 5.0 version under nt2k with more holes as an switzerland cheese.

what a newbie you are?...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
I used to be a fan of IE until I tried Mozilla Firefox and Netscape. Since then I was using them. Then came SP2 and the improved IE6. Tried it and it did add some features paticularly the one that I like is the pop up blocker. But to my dismay, the tabbed browsing is still missing. One of the things I like with the other browsers is that they have this option. So there is a lot more space on the taskbar (and its neat to see since its clean). Im hoping that IE7 would add this feature. If so would be great and will be gladly going back as an IE fan.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yes, definitely do a version for Windows 2000. I'm afraid that corporate isn't prepared to foot the bill to upgrade all our workstations to XP.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Would IE7 be as fast as Mozilla Firefox or Opera? That's one of the reasons as well why I shifted from IE to these browsers because they are VERY FAST in opening webpages and but of course my personal favorite, TABBED BROWSING
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Would IE7 be as fast as Mozilla Firefox or Opera? That's one of the reasons as well why I shifted from IE to these browsers because they are VERY FAST in opening webpages and but of course my personal favorite, TABBED BROWSING
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I have finally understood what Microsoft is.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Internet Explorer ver 7???
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So MS has finally taken note of the new browsers taking their browser business away from them! I didn't think they cared though Dean?!

It's a bit late in my opinion, how many years has it been since the last major release (and not just security patches, I've had enough of those to last a lifetime!).

I'm sorry but quite why anyone get's their hopes up about IE7 being any improvement at all is beyond me, I concur with numerous people on this, it'll just be more bug fixes and no rival for Firefox.

Better luck next time MS!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please make it compatible with Windows 2000 so that IE7 will not necessarily require XP SP2.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, i doubt that i'll stop using the magnificent FF. You must respect this open source browser for its innovation! all that microsoft do right now is PARTLY imitate the capabilities of the FF, but i hardly believe they will include everything in FF. example - supporting IDN is done in ALL the browsers but the IE. think they will be able to include it this time?
i don't think so...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a web developer I'm really exited about this, and since you already heard it a thousand times I'm gonna say it again. Because you need to hear it. Make it compatible with open standards. You know if IE actually got more safe and compatible with the open standards, webmasters aroud the world would recomend IE instead of firefox.
Do yourself a favor....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just to add to the pleading.

If IE 7 fails to support common web standards it will continue to be absolutely useless to me. CSS/ XHTML/ XML/ PNG/ a proper, standards compliant DOM. Without these things I see no place for IE anymore. Tabbed browsing, well integrated search and security are just bonuses to a firefox that plays nicely with theses standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
oh, and when I say "properly implements", I don't mean "embrace and extend" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace_and_extend) I mean I want to be able to author once for all browsers! Please!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
After 6 years of sitting around and blocking the web as much as possible in order to keep up its dominance in the client software market, microsoft announces vaporware that will ship 2 years late and be behind anything else that has been out there for years. And all of you M$ junkies rejoice - "finally, no more Firefox!". How stupid can you get?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope IE7 will contain a complete integration of the new technologie (WINFX) such as Indigo and Avalon!

Greetings from Austria
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
　IEBlog | IE7 Maxthonの開発者など加わって夏にテストリリース。 NeoWinのTom Warrenは確かコードは完了しているのでWinBET...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This is Great. I have been expecting this product for so long.

Maybe MS guys should think about IE 8 later on. Maybe another team should start developing a new browser from ground up with current technologies, with perfect rendering, standards compliance and security in mind. How about writing it with .Net?

In few posts, I have read that, Tabbed Browsing won't be on IE 7 because of the IE's structure. If this is true, don't try to add that feature.

I believe that Microsoft has enough power and knowledge to make the best (of the best of the best...) Browser.

PS: I have never been a fan of FireFox. But I also thank FireFox guys for pushing Microsoft.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm thrilled to hear that IE7 will enter beta cycles in the summer of 2005. That said, I'm more than a little put off by this public statement: Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
well, the code for this news should look something like this:

/* uncomment this and recompile around sommer 05,
Bill */
//InternetExplorer ie7 = (InternetExplorer)firefox.clone();
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't wait to see IE7. I think a refresh is exactly what Microsoft needs to attempt to regain the little share they lost of the browser market. I am one that personally made the switch to Firefox after a long haul and series of arguments with friends and geeks alike. I use it now mainly because of the better support it has for web standards, the expandibility through extensions that it offers, and TABS!! I saw one gentleman post saying he would not ever again use a browser that did not support multiple tabs (or at least the ability to switch the feature on and off). I stand with that gentleman.

I think the MAIN things the IE team should focus on are:

- Returning to Web Standards (XHTML, CSS, XML, PNG, etc.) Note that this would also require a refresh in page rendering.
- Tabbrowsing Support (even if the feature is defautled off)
- Extension support (so geeks like me can modify the browser in any way we see fit).

Complying with these 3 requirements for me would be Microsoft's best chance at getting a core of people that I know back on Internet Explorer. Even if they did add all of these things, there's no garuntee I'd change back to IE. We'd have to see how the extentions compete with Firefox and if the browser start time is faster.

Now, given, this post has in mind that Microsoft probably doesn't care what I think... and that's fine. Those are just some of the main reasons I switched to Firefox in the first place. I think the first question Microsoft should be asking themselves is "why did you switch from IE (or another browser) to Firefox?" that question would lead you next to "what does Firefox do or support that IE doesnt?" If they can answer these questions for themselves, and answer the industry through a version refresh by supplying the things IE is missing, maybe.... just maybe... we'll see another turn around. The worst thing about this whole ordeal is.... now the majority of people know there's something more out there than Internet Explorer. Yes, I still know some people that are unfamiliar with any other way to use the internet... but for the most part, that is no longer the general consensus. That's going to be tough ground for Microsoft to recover from.

Team IE.. you've got some work to do. Enjoy.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
I'm an avid firefox user, and I love Microsoft. Most of us that use Firefox use it for the featureset AND the security. If you're going to comment on how terrible we are about bashing it -- that's fine. I can't stop that. Keep in mind though, that most of us don't care that Firefox would be hit as hard if it was as big. We care that it isn't being hit right now. When its hit later, maybe we'll talk. And don't get me started on features and control. Firefox wins. End of story.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I see all you people begging for all these features like you can't get them anywhere else.

Have you heard of Firefox?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Why on earth would Microsoft embrace a technology that lets developers create sites that render and operate perfectly well in any browser? Then their customers could choose any vendor they wish. That's not very smart when you have a market to protect. Microsoft's business is built on leveraging competitive advantage from their market position. When they are not dominant, they join standards bodies and attempt to infect them with encumbered MS specific protocols. See their attempt with SPF, the terms of their RAND licenses for Windows protocols, so on. When they are dominant, they seek to use that dominance to push technologies which are, surprise, also MS specific. Microsoft is being dragged kicking and screaming into creating an update to IE. Their goal was to not touch IE ever again, except in Longhorn and its progeny. The new IE would provide an XUL-like rich client language (Avalon and such), MS specific, which would seek to leverage market dominance into client lock-in. Why would Microsoft spend any time developing a product that correctly implements standards? Understand, the actions of a company seeking to expand market share are quite different from those of one seeking to protect existing market share. Microsoft no longer has to win the browser war, it just has to build in obstacles to users defecting to other products. Keyword: obstacles. A web site that displays correctly only in IE but not other browsers, whether due to an incorrect standards implementation, or a MS proprietary technology, means the same thing: the customer will use IE. Whether this is wrong is a moral question. Microsoft is a business that simply wants to make money, and helping others (competitor browers, operating systems, etc.) make money isn't in their interest, and will not be willingly aided.

Larry
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Shut the firefox users up"...

What a childish comment. Does that include those firefox users on Mac and Linux? We all know the problems associated with a monoculture. Loosen up.

Seriously, too little too late. 3-4 years without development. It's a bit like leaving the front door open then wondering where your stereo has gone.

The benefits of having a lightweight cross platform client that has updates regularly are obvious here...

Good luck, though. Two simple things I hope you get right:

position : fixed. not static or absolute or relative. fixed.

border : 1px solid dotted - not dashed, dotted.
Dotted looks like this .....
dashed looks like this -----

All browsers bar one get those right.

BTW Opera 8 is in beta and it supports CSS3

best o luck.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"We’re eager to improve and better secure the web experience for the hundreds of millions of IE users around the world"

So this means you're finally getting rid of ActiveX?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi! Please consider upgrading rendering support of:
* PNG transparency
* CSS stylesheets
* SVG http://svg.org/

I'm just an user, not a webmaster. But I've gone from IE due to this. And tabs. And security (but you said you'll fix that).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Forget about Win2K. What will happen to the flaky web browser in Win2003?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft was not touching IE for 4 years because IE seniour developers were allocated to Avalon/WinFX development. That's all.

Avalon/WinFX is a TOP priority for Microsoft. Those messy HTML/CSS soup for Microsoft is not a long term platform.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
implement full CSS 3 , not 2;
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ManuelBieh.de - xhtml, css, webdesign ??? » Is nich wahr! Microsoft IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Do you plan to realise a cross-platform IE ?
I mean will you also change IE Mac and port IE to linux binaries ?

Meanwhile please support CSS3 and PNG.
Or at least got an excellent support of CSS2 as firefox does. that would really be a MINIMUM.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Do you plan to realise a cross-platform IE ?
I mean will you also change IE Mac and port IE to linux binaries ?"

IE/Win and IE/Mac use a different rendering engine (Trident/Tasman), which suggests the IE engine is not portable (probably a result of bad software design).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thank you, we look forward to helping test the beta with you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It would be great if they included support for jpeg2000 standard
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE6 is looking about as bad now as NS4 did 4 years ago.

IF they don´t touch the rendering engine and focus on security only, IE7 will be the greatest waste of time.

To all FF lovers: I think FF is but a bad copy of Opera. Opera is the way to go for fast browsing (and I don´t mean: fast rendering, but fast browsing).

Please give us:
CSS 2.1 (especially selectors)
Standard-compliant rendering
PNG Support

That aside, I think "the core" should be the main target: RSS should go to OE, if at all.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"We heard a clear message"

I think the message was loud and clear for a long time. It has to be said that Microsoft have been very slow to react to the message, though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please add full PNG support, CSS 2.1, XHTML ("application/xhtml+xml") and DOM support.
Please read W3C Recommendations.
Please use W3C validator for your tests.

Thanks.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
"IE/Win and IE/Mac use a different rendering engine (Trident/Tasman), which suggests the IE engine is not portable (probably a result of bad software design). "
Or, alternatively, a result of supporting two entirely different OSes with entirely different graphics support. Never let that get in the way of a good "M$" bash, though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Polskaya
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Or, alternatively, a result of supporting two entirely different OSes with entirely different graphics support."
Funny how the Gecko engine compiles on nearly every architecture/OS out there.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"The current IE code tree is old, stop flogging a dead horse guys! You're walking into the same trap that Netscape did."
The current IE code tree still supports 90% of the market compared with less than 30% for Netscape at the time you're talking about.
As well, you'll find many people blaming Netscape's funeral for the "dead horse" for its demise - it set them back many more years. See "Joel on Software" for a well respected article.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If you plan releasing IE7 for XP-SP2 users only, don't expect much people to use it. And what about Linux/Mac/UNIX users ??? Come on, open up to the world !!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Funny how the Gecko engine compiles on nearly every architecture/OS out there."
Funny how Gecko based browsers reinvent the basic controls and rendering tools on whatever OS it supports
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Mozilla FireFox is far more secure and secure and secure than the rubbish iexploder
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"If you plan releasing IE7 for XP-SP2 users only, don't expect much people to use it. And what about Linux/Mac/UNIX users ?"
XP SP 2: 170 million
Linux/Mac : lucky to have 30 million between them
I'm glad I'm not living in your bizarre little world if that's a recipe for failure
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"Funny how Gecko based browsers reinvent the basic controls and rendering tools on whatever OS it supports"
You know IE, Office, and a lot of other MS applications do exactly the same ? (they just look the same as the OS-supplied versions)

A render engine should have no ties to the underlying OS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Standards. Please implement standards! This is very important for the WWW.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hi,

as a lot of people, i'm wondering when IE will be available on linux? :-D no sorry it's a bad joke. as a firefox 'happy' customer, i'm wondering if IE could change that way to be more efficience, faster than today on of course included the REAL standard to manage webpages ...

oh, just one other think that didn't part of IE ... except in microsoft ofice where did you really heard that “Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better." ? didn't you heard about all software that stop running well after XP2 installation? even system crash for my part ...

well, maybe one day microsoft will be open mind ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"You know IE, Office, and a lot of other MS applications do exactly the same ? (they just look the same as the OS-supplied versions)
A render engine should have no ties to the underlying OS. "
IE still uses the Windows select control on web pages - and its dialogs use Windows' controls unlike Firefox.
If you reckon a rendering engine should have no ties with the underlying OS, I'm extraordinarily interested on your suggestions for rendering pixels or graphics to screens and for loading and displaying fonts
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi,

please implements features as the alpha channel for pngs, css1 and css2 complete and with no horrofying bugs as today in your three years old last major revision of IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If there will be NO support for current web-standards like XHTML, CSS, SVG and full support of PNG (including animated PNGs), then You can slow down and forgot about IE7 - it will be worthless.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think that the point has been made that IE's support for web standards needs to be spiced up. However, I still encourage every to add more useful comments. I just think the IE-team understands what we want now.

Now, my main question. Will the IE-team be working on web standards support in IE7, yes or no? I know that you might not be willing to answer, but just give a signal that you are actually reading this. I don't care if the answer is "we have not yet decided", just tell me. It will help others and me tremendously.

Please, IE-team, tell us what you are planning on doing with web standards. We are all eager to hear and it makes a bad impression not to respond at all.

Peter
www.code-kilroy.com
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
New version of Opera 8 is out today. In the past 2-3 Opera has made some major leaps and bounds and in my opinion is the best little browser out there. Im sticking with it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft was not touching IE for 4 years because IE seniour developers were allocated to Avalon/WinFX development. That's all.

that fears me a bit

but i dont think that they dont include anything like css2 dom2 png alpha

i hope they will support css1 fully that where great ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"IE still uses the Windows select control on web pages"

That's the only one they use, all others are re-implementations

"and its dialogs use Windows' controls unlike Firefox."

Dialogs are not part of the render engine.

"If you reckon a rendering engine should have no ties with the underlying OS, I'm extraordinarily interested on your suggestions for rendering pixels or graphics to screens and for loading and displaying fonts"

Simple, create an object, let's call it Painter, that knows how to render pixels, draw graphics and load fonts on a specific platform. The render engine uses the Painter to draw the pages it renders. Then, for each platform you support you just have to supply an implementation of the Painter.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Matt,

You say:

"Funny how Gecko based browsers reinvent the basic controls and rendering tools on whatever OS it supports"

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/007537.html

As listed in the link above it shows that IE doesn't use native widgets either.

In fact a lot of MS products don't use standard widgets:
Office always seems to reinvent the file selection (Open, Save) dialog with each release.
IE and Windows Explorer have a different behaviour when dragging the icon in the titlebar compared to other apps.
etc
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's be nice to say goodbye to having to use CSS for IE, let's hope IE7 has an improved CSS rendering engine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It may be the cynical side of me but I do have to wonder how tightly integrated IE7 will be with MSN search, the new search engine that Microsoft are running.

In any event it surely has to be good news that IE is getting an update and better news that Firefox will have some competition. Choice can only make the browser experience better for all consumers and the firefox teams almost single handedly deserve the credit for pushing the MS team forward in delivering this "ahead of schedule" IE update
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd just be happy with a version of IE that I never had to patch ever again.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Parece que o Billy decidiu que afinal sempre vai sair uma nova verso do IE7 antes do "to" esperado LongHorn. Pelo que pode "ouvir" por a, a Microsoft vai concentrar-se em melhorar as questes de segurana e vai possivelmente deixar...
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January 01, 2003
The Closed Circle » Microsoft to Produce IE 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft is driven by what customers say they want today, not by what is right from a technical, engineering point of view; nor what would be really cool and useful tomorrow.

This is why Microsoft is so far behind.

It's also the reason that caused many successful companies to go out of business.

However, I think it will be terribly easy for microsoft to catch up, and the strength of the windows platform is still enough to give them a buffer, so that they will be given the chance to catch up.

But that buffer is getting thinner and thinner... Soon, microsoft will lose everything, if it doesn't become more visionary.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Firefox - For a world beyond the Gates.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey Micro$oft... why bother? It's a matter of months 'till the scale turns favor to Mozilla. Haven't you heard? Mozilla Firefox is one of the best browsers available... and because of the Community that it's backing them up, the only way is up, as for you, won't stand a chance when Google releases their Internet Browser based on Mozilla.
Think about it!? Save your BILLION DOLLARS for fishing or hicking... maybe it won't sound so bad in a couple of years.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think that Microsoft should just pay Firefox to add the ability todo updates. Why continue to support IE, when there is already a product out there that does it so much better?

Microsoft should spend more time bringing us into the 22nd century rather then tidying up a dying browser.

Just hand it off MS... Be done with it.. Work on something new..
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could I use IE7 Beta works on(Support) Winodws 98 SE or Windows ME?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thank you I am learning of new things all day! And it is good to know of my RSS already work. I think I need add button of RSS to make this thing clear.
But more work to do!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
看英文是寫今年夏天,只是不知道Win98能不能用?
有誰能tell me?
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
 ...grayblog... - separating the wanted from the unwanted » Browser wars - new skirmish
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi Dean!

Wish you good luck and don't be sad about those aggresive and unpolite comments. People are aggresive, they must find something to be angry on and it's easy to attack on Microsoft, even when Microsoft hires the best developers from all companies and universities worldwide.

Ok, so good luck again and we are looking forward to IE7.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"BTW, little idiot "security features" like going through 6 confirm dialogs or something can't really make up for bad security policies like letting activeX scripts running in kernel space. "
I'd like to be first on the record to call that a big idiot comment
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
So, Microsoft apparantly - almost by themselves - figured out that waiting for Longhorn won't cut it; IE7 is coming.... And while important, that part mostly has to do with not having done a decent job in the first place, not committing to delivering a product that support web standards properly.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft representatives have gone on the record to state that the next version of Internet Explorer after the update in SP2 would include IDN support.

Is this still the case?
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
just out of curiosity, what is the browser ration of visitors to this dedicated IE blog?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Avalanches So. Bill Gates has announced that Internet Explorer 7 is coming, according to the IEBlog announcement as an update...
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
> Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: “Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment.”

Really?? Or was it another voice you heard, maybe from Bill gates and others, implying that you need to wake up and deal with threat of Firefox etc. These problems have been there for ages. Why dealing with it now only?

Are you aware that with your LIMITED standards support you are costing businesses more time and money in writing more HTML/CSS etc than they would normally need? Have you listened to those complaints?
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January 01, 2003
...and IE 7.0 will do for the world wide web?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good luck gyus ;) Mozilla is now so-o-o-o way ahead of you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"If you idiots spent as much time delivering compelling and innovative ideas"

Like popup blockers, tabbed-browsing, and a cross-platform rich-client technology named XUL? Or perhaps by good implementations of modern open stadards such as CSS, DOM or XForms?

IE only implemented the first so far. The others don't matter, since they are going for their own Avalon-enabled lockin offerings...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A new version of Internet Explorer is in the works.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I have two questions:

1) WHAT have you "heard"?

2) WHAT are you "committed" to delivering?

All that we know so far is that a new version of IE will be delivered some time, and that it will (probably) be available only for Windows XP. If this will indeed be IE7, what new features will it have to justify the change in major version number? (The only thing that's been hinted at so far is security, and although it's important, that's just a case of fixing something that is inherently broken, not adding something new.)
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
I used to think, great let's fire on the 'net, so up pops IE6. I'd always been intrigued by other browsers, and something inside niggled me to try out Firefox...especially since the offical public release 1.0...not to mention people all over the show telling me i should try it out...so i did..and now when the 'net loads, up pops FF1.0

people who haven't tried it already should, you'll be amazed. Plugins gallore, and for the artists among you, skins too...what more could you want? Well perhaps if big Bill and his team could manage to get any website to work with it, that would work wonders. I have but one request. Tabbed browsing...no...it's a nice feature, one i appreciate but please most of all...please go into the compliants dept. and tell them to delete YES delete all MS standards and adopt (shock-horror) W3C standards...please...for the sake on man's sanity....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You say IE7 will be for XP. I hope you'll do a version for 2000 and perhaps even lower. Not everyone uses XP, and already we're loosing out as Media Player 10 is XP only. I just hope IE7 won't be! :-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So, what features were stolen from FireFox ??
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Forget the browser- all MS will do is copy Firefox and act like it's a big deal, just like ME did with Netscape. Firefox is great and the need is now fulfilled. Don't try to ruin yet another great effort by some good people. Instead, try to build a secure OS that actually works....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
CNTRL + for Zooming would be necessary. The zoom feature is horrible in IE 6 plus putting dropdown menus in the Links menus would be a must.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please write IE 7 in c# dot net. I would like to see microsoft eat its own cake. DOTNET apps are rock solid and never need a reboot. I wish I could say the same for IE henceforth.

PS: Remember I said this first !!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I welcome the security improvements, but there's no mention of web standards. Will CSS support be updated? Will XHTML support be updated? In fact, will anything regarding the rendering engine be updated?

If the answer is no, then IE7 regardless of security fixes is just not going to cut it... Picking through my standard html and css trying to force IE compatibility is just plain irritating. I no longer bother - if it works fine. If it doesn't, I point users to Firefox, Opera or Safari.

Hopefully you guys will take a long look at the competition and take note. Look forward to the beta...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OK, this is undoubtedly "great" news. But for whom, BTW? Just sit down and waste a few seconds on thinking of some possible security threats corporate IT staff like me have to anticipate each and every day: Doesn't IE pop up a few times too often on the list of notoriously bug-ridden software? Don't get me wrong: I don't mind IE at all, though lots of my fellow colleagues undoubtedly do. I just try to avoid it like the plague. Just listen to some non-moron admin and --hey, pronto!-- you will see why and how much resentment IE has earned itself within less a decade of its being "on the market". With SP2, the situation has even gotten worse for MS provides (a feeling of) security by having IE bugging you with lots of highly irrelevant questions--especially nervewrecking for developers who know their job; but that IE won't budge. Oh, IE, will you just shut up! Or just allow me to bypass these so-called 'security features' without having to sacrifice the rest of SP2! See, all an admin needs and wants is a browser that's compliant, safe and easy to use in user as well as mission-critical environments--IE on the other hand barely fulfills just one of these rather basic admin's requirements. Also, most admins can't afford to keep tailoring their content to meet a certain browser's needs in terms of code; so we want a browser we can use freely on the most common platforms, i.e., Windows, Linux as well Mac. Do this and we'll love you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
That seems good news but I think it will produce as systems slow down as Windows Media Player 10 update.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When are you going to have a new IE Mac release?
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January 01, 2003
I dont know why its taking so long; Dean Edwards has already done the hard work for you: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/

If IE 7 is just security, a lot of people will be very disapointed. Tabs, skins, plugins are all very nice but if you dont fix the rendering engine its all just eye candy.

Give us fixed backgrounds, trans pngs, generated content, psuedo classes on all elements, ability to choose alternative stylesheets without javascript, svg, and mathML support.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"included for free in Windows"

Yeah, right. We all know Microsoft is a charity company and research on new products is paid with money from Bill's own pockets.

C'mon, wake up and smell the coffee: the price is included in every Windows license. You just download updates for free. And for a good reason: to keep you locked in.

"Avalon/WinFX is a TOP priority for Microsoft. Those messy HTML/CSS soup for Microsoft is not a long term platform."

Someone is in need of a reality check. XML-based solutions are far more verbose than any html form today. And CSS is a good way to keep presentation style separate from the application logic. I don't know what Avalon styling system will look like, but even though it likely isn't CSS, it probably will be something quite similar...
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
For compatibility. Windows 2000 is perfectly capable of doing whatever XP can, you should know. Why restrict usage to those on Windows XP (and then, only SP2 for that matter)?

It's like Microsoft randomly denying Windows 95 users IE6, but Win98 users could use it. Win95 is almost exactly the same as 98.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
<p>Leo en <a href='http://www.alt1040.com/archivo/2005/02/16/internet-explorer-7/'>Alt1040</a> que Internet Explorer 7 saldrá pronto en <a href='http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx'>versión beta</a>.<br />
El autor dice: ¿a quién l
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
OK. If it's slimmed down, lean, quick to adapt to change like FF, security conscious and has some really cool features to make it better than FF, then perhaps I'm prepared to look at a beta - out of curiosity, you understand. Surprise me, you've still got the revenue! And if it doesn't work, who's to say MS can't reinvent itself again in five, ten or twenty years' time?
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January 01, 2003
Please, please, please take on the very real requirement of the web standards. Sure keep your own tags, they give added functionality but stick to the standards for the core stuff. Just look at the number of comments on this, its in plain english, this is what WE want.
-Best of luck with the new browser.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MyIE2 is the BEST browser to ever come out...

MS wont ever come near it!!!!!!!

Dont update to this IE7,go with the best!!!!

The Dude :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Since when is a service pack a web browser !?!?!?

Sorry for this rant... but as far as i'm concerned... MS = they would love you to subscribe for everything = their holy grail.

And why do get a checkbox "install msn toolbar" when updating messenger??!!!
it should be unchecked default!

back to FireFox :D
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please also support Windows2000.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
oh yeah here's another one:

why does MSN messnger insist on lauching Internet Explorer?!? (eg click on "check your mail")

even when you set another default browser

ohyeah... transpartent PNGs would be nice too :)
(umpteenth time I guess :D )
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All browsers have their downfalls. I really do hope IE7 practices proper rendering but it seems that the only thing that will be addressed is security. I <i>thought</i> the security issues were supposed to have been already addressed in IE6.

Regardless, IE7 will need to have more features built into it (easily customized, tabbed browsing, mouse gestures, etc.) to be able to even attempt to coax back the users that abandoned (and are continuing to abandon) IE in favor of Firefox/Opera. Everybody I know that uses Firefox is so used to their extensions that when they use IE it ticks them off. They won't be giving up their extensions or Firefox any time soon. Trust me on that.
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January 01, 2003
Great news!

Hope to see a secure, W3C-comp. browser!

Wish you good job, and, please - make it to be standart CSS-friendly :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Funny... I design websites, testing in Firefox, and they display as intended in most major browsers. I design websites, testing in IE, and they display as intended in IE. Our company has already booted Microsoft out of most areas. It's only a matter of time until IE is gone also. I guess if enough deep pockets give Microsoft the boot then maybe they'll design a decent browser (among other things).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please include proper support for CSS and XHTML. It wasn't long ago that developers hated Netscape because of the way it displayed pages. Unfortunately many of us now feel that way about IE. I could live without "tabbed browsing" but it would be nice to include that as well as some of the other add-ons that Mozilla provides.

Obviously improved security is essential. However Firefox has some issues with security as well (they just don't get the same amount of press). If IE was succeptible to homograph attacks like Opera, Mozilla and Firefox then it would be on the front page of every news website. I realize the problem has more to do with IDN than the browser itself, but IE doesn't have the problem.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We actually had to finally recommend to our viewers that the switch away from MSIE to a more standards-compliant browser like Firefox, Safari, or Opera.

Certainly if MSIE 7.0 comes out with true standards support we'll change our recommendation. If it's just a rehash of 6 with a couple of hasty security patches, we'll keep on recommending something that's more standards-compliant.
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January 01, 2003
Just today I spipped into a bug in our web application (which has multiple frames) and found it browsing with Firefox, whilst IE6 is the primary target platform. With IE6 I would have had not a single chance finding that bug...!

@The MSIE7 guys: better catch up with Firefox or IE will loose more and more users...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't think I will ever downgrade to a Microsoft product anymore. Open Source simply rules.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
yeah, "show this frame" is great feature :-)
...and the web developper
...and editCSS
...and HTMLtidy

very cool extensions!

I'll shut up for now :-)
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
At the RSA conference, Bill Gates announced that there will be an Internet Explorer 7. The expected date for a pre-release version is summer of this year. The focus appears to be on security and spyware. It’s good to hear...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
At the RSA conference, Bill Gates announced that there will be an Internet Explorer 7. The expected date for a pre-release version is summer of this year. The focus appears to be on security and spyware. It’s good to hear...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
At the RSA conference, Bill Gates announced that there will be an Internet Explorer 7. The expected date for a pre-release version is summer of this year. The focus appears to be on security and spyware. It’s good to hear...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Bring It On | K-Squared Ramblings
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm never switching back to IE nomatter what they do to it. No matter how good looking of standards compliant IE is, if it kills all of its competition again then 5 years from now we'll still be using IE7 and web browsing technology will be years behind what it could have been with competition. The best thing that could happen would be having a bunch of web browsers with fairly equal market shares because that would cause the most competition.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wish you guys in Microsoft have already learnt about XHTML, CSS, PNG and all this stuff we people call 'standards' so that IE7 is not as lousy as all the IEs so far..!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hilarious.

Firefox finally got Microsoft's goat, milk, cheese, and all! I am using Firefox to enter this comment, and I have 0.0 chance of ever switching back to the miserable browser that IE has become.

You lose the browser wars, and it couldn't happen to a nicer company.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If you just fix the PNG and CSS issues with IE6 on Win2000 (release IE 6.2?) I'll be a happy camper, along with the rest of the WebApp developer world.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope Microsoft looks at the web community complaints and suggestions or it will become the next Netscape 4.x. The first thing Microsoft should do is for Bill to stop giving his money away and fire Ballmer.
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January 01, 2003
"Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners"

That would be a first... Microsoft is just losing market share to Mozilla, and that's what has been nagging Bill... Simple as that!

J.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All you guys complaining about all the flaws in IE with all the holes....just wait all the other browsers that are coming out will soon have just as much problems as IE....the reason IE has so much problems is because it is the standard among the non techie people and who is going to make a spyware (as an example) for a program that isnt used by a large part of the population? DUH!
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello,

Regarding the debate about other browsers having as much problems as IE, MsRed states that "all the other browsers that are coming out will soon have just as much problems as IE..."

That statement is entirely incorrect. Opera, and Safari (granted Safari is a Mac based browser) has had no instances where spyware, malware, or dataminers being installed onto the system it is installed on.

I cannot comment about Firefox because I find it when customised to suit my needs, it becomes very quickly as bloated as Mozilla.

Opera and Safari have been been around now for donkey's years, neither have had the kind of problems that Internet Explorer has had.

SP2 has fixed a lot of issues in IE 6, and it looks like a lot more is about to be fixed.

I imagine that it will be light, and quite robust. So I am anticipating it with arms wide open. Although making me switch from Opera, now that would take some serious work from the Microsoft Developers.

Care to take the challenge?

Xan.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I woke up to this news and it has made my day!

I just want to join the others that have already stated that we'd like to see a good implementation of tabbed browsing in IE 7.0. That's my only real reason for using Firefox - it's a very useful feature that I turn too when doing comparison shopping (between different merchants) or when I want to keep a review(s) on a tab(s) and then shop on other tabs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I woke up to this news and it has made my day!

As an end-user, I just want to join the others that have already stated that we'd like to see a good implementation of tabbed browsing in IE 7.0. That's my only real reason for using Firefox - it's a very useful feature that I turn too when doing comparison shopping (between different merchants) or when I want to keep a review(s) on a tab(s) and then shop on other tabs.
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January 01, 2003
Speaking from the standpoint of a guy who uses XP, 2000, OS X, Solaris ... releasing IE7 is nice but it's far too late.

Unless or until Firefox drops the ball (say the way Netscape did around relase 4.x) there is no chance I'll switch back.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I know you gotta keep things secret but here's what I'm hoping for.

1) Support for XHTML with all the standard declarations including that for XML.

2) PNG with transparency.

3) SVG, we really need this.

4) Enhanced CSS.

5) MSHTML that creates valid XHTML. Doesn't foul up entities, utf-8 works right, retains numeric entities etc.

6) All platforms. This might be eventually but without it are you serious?

7) Secure of course but you're onto that!!

8) Quirks mode is often evil, easy ways to detect if your web page has fallen into this slime pit.

Didn't upload first time (after a few minutes) so this is a retry.
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January 01, 2003
konfabulieren » Internet Explorer 7
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January 01, 2003
I am using Firefox myself; in fact except for Windows update and a single remote application that insists on using IE to install updates, I never, ever, use IE.

Certainly more attacks will be addressed to Firefox/Safari/KHTML etc browsers in time, but the reality is I am safer, my clients are safer, using an "anything but IE" strategy, and to the extent that its feasible to do so, that's exactly what I've been working with clients on.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I currently use a mix of IE and Firefox. Will be interested to see how IE7 performs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"I’ve also gotten questions about support for Windows 2000. Right now, we’re focused on XP SP2. We’re actively listening to our major Windows 2000 customers about what they want and comparing that to the engineering and logistical complexity of that work. That’s all I can say on that topic."

Please quit trying to feed us this marketing/PR garbage.

Do you really expect the technical readers of an MSDN blog to believe that it is too difficult to create a new version of IE that can run on Windows 2000?

Try being a little more honest with your readers. For example:

"I’ve also gotten questions about support for Windows 2000. Right now, we're waiting to see how stupid our customers are. We're hoping that they are dumb enough to believe that our IE team has the only Windows developers on the planet who are incapable of creating an application that runs on both Windows XP and Windows 2000. But Bill might let us if enough Windows 2000 customers indicate that they are sick of the foot dragging and are going to switch to Firefox. It's embarrasing losing market share to a non-profit organization that only has a dozen paid employees."
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey there is nothing wrong with FIREFOX i use bith IE and FIREFOX and i think the two of them are great!!!!
Nickabocker
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January 01, 2003
So Microsoft are making IE7. Go back a couple of months and Microsoft were still adamant that they would not be releasing IE7 outwith Longhorn, although this has been widely reported as a big climbdown by MS.

Microsoft, on their IE blog are sayin...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I currently use Windows 2000 Professional and I not only think it's more reliable then XP, but know. Internet Explorer compared to firefox is a joke. Firefox runs and loads faster, the gui is cleaner and sharper looking, and it manages memory better then Internet Explorer. Microsoft obviously doesn't care about losing market share or else it would have responded to the firefox browser. I honestly believe Microsoft doesn't really care about its customers. All it cares about are new customers. That's why Microsoft will only release a new IE for XP SP2 customters - because those are all the new customers!
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think you should just abandon the project, it's going to be about as disappointing as the typical inachu rambling that no one seems to ever understand.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How totally reactionary of you Mr. MS. Thanks to Firefox we've had a great solution to your browser for a while now. You've "heard" us huh? I think you've heard your market share going away , that's what you'v heard.

My suggestion: start being more visionary before you can no longer react fast enough. Sure, now you can get away with it because of your size but that won't continue forever.

-bruce
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> What is a standard, really?

There are three factors that determine whether something is a standard or not - compatibility, interchangeability and commonality.

Internet Explorer is common, nothing more.

The specifications published by the W3C are not standards, and the W3C is not a standards organisation. It's an industry consortium that publishes open specifications. In fact, it's intentionally constructed in this way; Tim Berners Lee intentionally avoided making it a standards body when he set it up.

It irritates me when people refer to them as standards, but they meet the criteria much more than Internet Explorer does.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.

If IE 7 still renders CSS (among other things) as poorly as IE does now, don't count on it.

Personally, I can't wait to see how Firefox will continue outperform Microsoft's next "browser".

> Nice knowing ya, my fortunes now are with the Mozilla team, hope you get smoked yet again.

Amen to that.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> XMLHTTPRequest as a NON-ACTIVEX object that is syntax compatible

Standards standards standards. I point out the above specifically as XMLHTTPRequest is not just icing on the cake anymore. Google's gmail & maps, flickr, and some other rather large sites are implementing this object. I can't walk over to a macintosh and access my gmail account in IE because of this. I understand from a business standpoint why you want to make everything proprietary, but it gets a big thumbs down from me.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
For those of you who cannot wait till summer! There IS already an IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/)! If you refused to accept a better browser (http://www.spreadfirefox.com/) until now, I recommend asking the webmaster of your favorite site to set up IE7 for you. That would finally let you browse like today's browser do, even with IE6. ;)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
" What is a standard, really?

Is it when a group of nerds who hate the reigning king o the hill, decide what the web should be?

Or is the "standard" equal to the overwhelming majority of the webs population uses?"

how about: an specification created by and agreed upon by many important players in industry. Like the WorldWideWeb Consortium "recommendations". The W3C is nothing more than a conglomeration of people from all over the industry and academic institutions. There are people from Adobe, IBM and Microsoft there.

Why Microsoft doesn't implement such specifications is not a matter of not having a voice in their creation firsthand.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Google launches version 3.0 of their toolbar. Google AdSense now on VNU websites. IE 7 beta to launch over the summer. Yahoo! opening Dublin HQ.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I like Microsoft, and have enjoyed using their products over the years. But a number of recent decisions have made me stand back and wonder what on earth they are thinking. I currently use Windows 2000. I like Windows 2000, and I have no intention of upgrading to XP anytime soon. Will I not be able to use I.E. 7? Will the tens of thousands of other WIn2k users be left out as well? Luckily, I have not had many major experiences with security vulnerabilites (I credit third-party security software and hardware that I have on my system). But I can see the potential for users to get fed up with I.E. and move to Firefox, or some other browser. I suspect a majority of the Win2k users concerned about security will be doing just that.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Its so strange, we are at IE 7, I installed IE 1.0 the other on Windows 95 in VPC '04, The Internet is what it was called on the desktop.

IE has gotten so feature rich over the years, we should really appreciate it and compare our Internet browsing experiences in 1998 to today, I would say we are blessed.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta/Blog/cns!1ppieQf0aF6k7J0XYrJfhfMQ!782.entry
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January 01, 2003
IE has seriously fallen behind Firefox when it comes to being a feature rich browser. Whenever the rare occassion comes up that I have to use IE6, I feel stifled.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PLEASE follow the standards set by the W3C, of which MS is a part. It amazes me that such a large organization has allowed its partial monopoly to overshadow tried and true standards in the name of making a buck.

MS really wants to eliminate the threats of Mozilla and Opera browsers? Go 100% W3C compliant.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Sooner as it was annonced. The IE team work well, or fear about Firefox...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm undecided.

I use firefox and I still have IE for backup. I've noticed that a greater and greater percentage of the visitors to my site are using Firefox and it doesn't appear to be stopping.

I understand that your hands must be tied, because this IS about business.

At the very least IE 7 should comply with the basic standards, bring it up to speed for us, make our lives as developers easier.

You guys COULD bust out an absolutely amazing product and that would be awesome. You could break away from the OS and have a good, clean, completely rewritten piece of software. Yeah, your hands are tied.. You would then have to deal with the thousands and thousands of corporate systems out there who don't want to upgrade.

Keep us in mind though Microsoft.. Young web developers like myself and so many more, we're deciding what the next few years are going to bring. We're being won over to the standards and for good reason, they work.

Wishing you guys all the best. You did a wonderful step in the right direction with MSN Search, I've been very pleased with what you've done so far. Keep it up, and keep us in mind. The big corporate sites and systems will only be around for so long before they must too change.

-Jonathan Wold
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
EZblog » Linkdump 16 februari
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
betablox » IE 7 ???
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Here's a nice email that I got recently:
Subject: [SpreadFirefox] Celebrating 25 million Firefox downloads
From: Blake Ross <blake@spreadfirefox.com>
> We're pleased to announce that in celebration of 25 million Firefox
> downloads, the Mozilla Store will be offering a 25% discount on certain
> items through 11:59 PM EST on February 17th. Furthermore, the kind people
> over at CoinsForAnything (http://www.coinsforanything.com/) have agreed to
> supply us with 100 free commemorative Firefox coins. We will be awarding a
> quarter of these to the 25 most active SpreadFirefox members, and will
> distribute the other 75 in the coming weeks according to a different set of
> criteria.
>
> As usual, http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ has all the information.
>
> Thanks everyone for your continued support...onward to 50 million!
>
> --Blake

Count that. 25 million. 25,000,000. That's a big number. And the majority of them have probably switched from Internet Explorer. Now this is only counting the official Mozilla server. Firefox, being free as in freedom (http://www.fsf.org/) can be redistributed as much as you want. I can't imagine mirrors getting too much traffic, but they still add up way over 25 million.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
actualy 25 mil does include other mirrors, but not people who installed from CDs and intranets and unknown mirros such as personal websites :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It would be nice if you could actually implement CSS/web standards as they are written - not a Microsoft take on those standards. As a content developer I am constantly surprised at the small things that don’t work in IE as they should… GIVE ME A REASON TO LEAVE FIREFOX AND I WILL!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've search for this info through this site
and some other referenced site and haven't seen the
definitive statement on the implementation
technology of IE7. So here goes:

Q: Is IE7 going to be a .NET CLR executable referencing the vast majority of it's native functionality through other .NET dll assemblies?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will I ever use IE7... hmmm, don't think so...
That need a real reason to switch back to Windozer. (and yeah, I hope I told everybody, I will switch back to IE the day it has a fully supported linux edition, otherwise, I tell it here!)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7's not gonna be anything good if you ask me, just a rebranded IE6 with a couple of extra fake HTML tags more security holes, and some little features that every other browser already has, like tabbed browsing. I'm glad I switched to Linux a long time ago, I'm sick of waiting for you slowpokes just to get an insecure product that just copies everything else that's out there.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd love to see png and xul support. I realistically would expect the former - but certainly wouldn't bet on MS adopting XUL.

The recent beta release of maps.google.com shows that transparent pngs are of real-world use. IE seems to do something similar using an activeX control on the maps but lots of users are scared of anything activeX.

The mozilla tri-licensing would allow for XUL implementation in a closed final product using mozilla code. I just don't see it happening somehow.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Waste of time guys... there are already better browsers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Let's speak for real.

1st: No one (5%) uses UNIX based OS. Almost everyone uses Windows.
2nd: Everyone knows about Firefox? No. Just us, not the casual user, who is constantly spammed, phised and spywared.

Ok, then, Microsoft made that possible.

Why the casual users (the ones that I care, I'll, NEVER switch to IE, already in heaven with Opera) are constantly attacked? These casual users also don't care about web design.

That's because Microsoft's devs DON'T have a clue about software programming. A bunch of guys at Fx Crew made a browser that is the proud of GNU software, and a horde of programmers are a lazy bunch of guys who update the most used browser in the world every two or three years.

Make the life easier to those casual users. We don't care about IE. We know about what we are talking about. You (IE devs) don't.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Although it's been said hundreds of times, I'd like to add one more cry for standards support! Full CSS support, etc.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Keep an Open Eye » They Said It Couldn’t Be Done ..
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
download
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Get, or stick with, firefox (http://www.spreadfirefox.com/)! It's the only browser than you will ever need. A lot of customization, much better security, and bug-free...

This new IE browser is definitely not trustwothy and I'm positive people will find many security holes in it - like every other product Mictosoft has made.

C'mon people... think about it. All this antivirus and antispyware microsoft is gonan put in it will never be free. Somehow or another they will make you pick your pockets and give them another $50 billion in assets
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Also, as a content provider and programmer: please die Explorer, you've caused enough headaches. I'm certainly buying a Mac next for web development.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Check out a browser called Maxthon. It uses the Internet Explorer dlls so it renders everything just like IE but it has a far superior user interface and uses a ton less memory. As for Firefox, great first pass, but years behind because it is missing lots of great usablity features and doesn't support all of the current web technology.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The competition goes on. Firefox is doing the same thing to IE what IE did to Netscape Navigator a few years ago. Less fuss, tabbed browsing is what makes Firefox amazing. I truly love using IE.

IE architects if you are listening, make IE a browser with tabs. It surely rocks.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Maxthon User, you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to FF... "years behind" - haha
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi,
I am happy coz I will not have to optimize my website for firefox, coz I thought firefox users will cross IE users but now I feel not so soon... by the time compatition will go up firefox 2,3,4 will be there and may be by then my sites willl look same on both browsers...

Bye
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Eventhough FireFox occupies for some systems, I want Microsoft to concentrate on How fast it can render the page. I think firefox uses a technique of multiple downloads of getting the pages like normal download application does. If Microsoft concentrate on this, i believe firefox may not reach the audience as IE. The technologywise we cannot blame Microsoft, as i worked hard for a project which should compatible for Safari & IE and i know how Safari does not support some basic functionalities.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't have time to read the many many comments here, but I hope that someone reads my plea for standards compliance... I was a longtime supporter of IE, until I started designing sites myself, and I now loath it... I have switched everyone I know to firefox (unless they had switched already), and am extremely reluctant to consider going back to IE. IE broke the web. There are all sorts of sites that look pretty in IE that don't follow much of any web standard. Please, fix IE, fix the web.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
You haven't changed IE significantly in around 3 years. Your CSS support is the worst of any of the 4 major browser engines (IE, Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror/Safari). Aren't you going to support the standards?

Sure, they support their customers, the one who pay them big $$ to keep IE's standards-compliance exactly the way it is -- pitiful...

Congratulations on starting IE, it was once a very nice browers, but now it has languished.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Must, must, MUST, fix CSS2.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thoughts from all Four Hats... » Microsoft announces IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A new IE version sounds great and is clearly needed.

On the other hand, the easy extensibility of IE is a major plus, and you should make sure that you don't break existing software that uses IE - or at the very least document all required code changes early enough.

The XP SP2 update was already a very good start in this respect. I am looking forward to test IE7 Beta :)

Mike
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Could you give us what everybody want to know :

The list of future improvements !

Imho, I would really enjoy a full support of CSS (1 and 2), and a better render of standards.
PNG full support would be great too.

WHEN will we know WHICH improvements are going to be made on IE 7 ???
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The only thing MSIE is "good for" is Windows Update (just because it supports ActiveX). Remove it from windows and make it "Windows update" only or create a windows_update.xpi for better browsers.

Seriously, what people are expecting is better standards support (CSS, XHTML, PNG, SVG, ...). If Microsoft still continue to consider his customers like they are sheeps surely, sooner or later, they'll finish to be aware of this.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will Windows XP Professional, x64 Edition be supported?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
windows_update.xpi Now that really would be useful
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I might repeat what others says, but, sorry, I don't have the time to read all.
First, I hope standards will be well supported. I mean a full XHTML and moreover CSS implementation, a full PNG support, the opening (and not downloading) of files served with XML mime ( with XSLT or even CSS an XML file may be well rendered on a browser; here is an exemple served with a text mime that, by the way, looks good on all modern browser and that looks ugly on IE6 : http://unveiled-hypocrisies.be/news.xml ), SVG support and maybe other standard format not well supported.
Then, why will you only support Windows XP with service pack II ? Is it so hard to support all of your product able to work with a browser (win95, winNT4, win98, winME, win2000, winXP; all with or without any service pack) ? I use Opera, FireFox (or Mozilla), Amaya with winNT4, so, a modern browser way work on each of your station.
I'll even go further, you well support mac OS with IE for mac, why wouldn't you make an IE7 version for linux (not necessarily for free), so that webmaster using linux may test their website on all modern browser ? XUL makes it possible, so it is possible with actual technologies.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Just adding my vote: if IE7 is not standards compliant then it will be a joke, worthy of ridicule, and would be better named as 6.2 or whatever.

Suggestion: make contact with Dean Edwards (http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/), offer him a bucket of money to help you sort out the rendering in YOUR IE7 without needing to rewrite the rendering engine from scratch.

Dean's Javascript tool allows IE6 to be more or less standards compliant. But its only penalty is speed: how difficult would it be to port his code into the core?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And here is the bucket:

http://dean.edwards.name/donate/

I created an entry especailly for Micrsoft... Pretty considerate of me really. ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good News!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can I just say: "Hardeeharhar". IE can get updated all it wants, but it is and will for the rest of time be obsolete. Nothing more to be said. The old rendering engine performs badly and is slow. Open source is the future. Heck, It doesn't even have tabbed browsing which is a standard among all other browsers! "Poeple who use IE aren't looking for things like tabs" is of course nonsense. Poeple who haven't experienced it have no clue how wonderful it is.

--Tommy Quist aka Linforcer
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Make sure IE7 includes support for inlined images! Base64 encoded images directly in the page actually make a legitimate PDF alternative - something to consider!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hehe, just look at all those responds... I hope they get the message :/ lol
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE never compare with FireFox or Opera (I hate IE). Now, IE very slow browser and I not believe what MS improve speed of IE.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
" # re: IE7 2/16/2005 2:14 AM Kevin Ansfield

What I'd like to see from IE:

1) Uncoupled from the OS - why should a web browser be able to compromise the whole system?

2) Get rid of ActiveX - probably the most annoying, insecure, incompatible technology I've ever seen

3) Drop propriety technologies and implement full standards support with correct rendering - CSS1/2 at the least

4) Alpha PNG support

5) Tabbed interface

6) Open, fully extendable plugin system - the customisation abilites in FireFox are truly outstanding.

7) Proper popup blocker - even with the supposed improvements in SP2 I still get 10x as many popups when compared to competing browsers "

OK....now how many of these do you actually expect the IE team to address? :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003

Microsoft. Bunch of cowboys I tell you!

Two words, "CSS support". Get with it.

Long live proper browsers!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Don't ask people why they are so confused.

Through the years, Microsoft always tried to dictate how the web must be to his users.

Now, all of the sudden, they are asking users' opinion!!

Of course people get confused!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think it's been about three days since Microsoft announced that they will release a new version of IE. The announcement was so thoroughly blogged and discussed that I didn't bother blogging it myself (I was too busy reading what others had written), but now that the dust has settled, I want to offer my two cents
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Alright - listening to their costumers. Let them prove that by giving us web developers a standards compliant browser!!
Doesn't sound right that they are actually gonna create a CSS compliant browser, but I really hope they will.
CSS AND XHTML PLEASE!! (and application/xhtml+xml MIME type please!!)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Get it right this time so we can all be using web standards 2-3 years from now. As a web developer, I tell everyone I know to use Firefox - because its core focus is to implement agreed upon standards. Standards make my job easier and they let me focus on creativity instead of work-arounds. Microsoft is part of the W3C, so why shouldn’t their products respect the recommendations they help(ed) to sculpt?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yes, FireFox has had 25 million downloads, but how many people are actually using it? I download firefox, but I don't use it, I think I browsed the net with it a few times, but I started getting this error so I went back IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft recently announced IE7 for Windows would ship ahead of Longhorn, and though the developers have kept quiet on the matter, it seems to be mostly focused on security, and not on implementing standards compliance requirements. This can only mean bad news for web developers and end users alike. Why is that, you ask? Well...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Other than the obvious things such as better CSS support, PNG support etc..

Please make sure we can run IE6 & IE7 side by side..... There is not reason for this not to happen and you would save developers the world over a lot of heart ache when developing and testing for multiple browsers.... Instead of having 2 machines 1 for IE 7 and 1 for IE6.

Then we could test Firefox, ie6, ie7, opera etc ALL on the 1 machine
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The best way to make IE secure is to drop the ActiveX, please!
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
 Good articles about .NET 2.0 and VS.NET 2005 - ASP.NET Whidbey- Storing User Information with ASP.NET 2.0 Profiles- ASP.NET Whidbey-...
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Finally <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb05/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.asp">Microsofts Bill Gates</a> announced, what <a href="http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/">Dean Edwards</a> did a long time ago: IE7 (Deans site may be down at the moment
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oooffhh !! was waiting for this to happen.Great news !!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a web designer I would like to know if you plan on updating IE to use standards like XHTML, HTML 4.0, CSS1/2, etc. properlly. It's a real pain trying to code things for IE and still have them work everywhere. I think I speak for everyone when I request that IE be made standards-compliant.
Thank you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ASP.NET is a nemesis but IE doesn't support CSS3, PNG and SVG, if you put that in IE7 it would be excellent, really it will be interesting.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
my suggestion to MS.
better stop trowing away money making software .. focus on XBOX there is you power.
hahahahhaahahahah
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As well as all the important security and other architectural stuff (CSS, etc) mentioned quite a few stimes above already, I add my voice to those who want tabbed browsing becuase it's such a major productivity improver.

But I want to emphasize that it should be more than vanilla, mundane tabbing. The features in the Tabbwowser Extensions of Firefox are an excellent guide: many advanced features and options (such as opening a link in a new window in the background, and in either another tab or another window, to name one). Avant Browser by Anderson Che is another fairly good implementation (see http://www.avantbrowser.com/ ) -- and it has other goodies too, like pop-up blockers, groups, and more.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
the tabbed browsing hype is wearing pretty thin... it'd be nice if people could concentrate on things that matter like improved rendering, CSS2+3, DOM2, XMLHTTPRequest (the W3C way), etc. IE needs standards compliance, not UI fluff that can be provided by third parties anyway.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If you guys decide to include tabbed browsing, please make sure it can be turned off. I am happy with my existing tabbed OS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<quote>My experience with IE 6...has serviced me very well, and there has never been any chance of me switching to a second-rate browser with a tortoiselike development process.</qoute>

IE IS the second rate browser that hasn't seen a significant update (besides hundreds of security bug fixes) in over five years.

<quote> IE has delivered more new Web technologies with each successive release than Firefox could even dream of doing.</quote>

But still doesn't even comply with the W3C standards from 1998?

<quote>Firefox kludges along, always playing catchup (except with a few highly visible things like tabbed browsing that most users simply do not give two s***s about), with its advocates wallowing in a false sense of security brought on by obscurity (and NOTHING MORE).</quote>

Most users don't care about .net web apps, but find tabbed browsing and live bookmarks pretty darn usefull. And the security comes from the code being reviewed by thousands of developers and from not being over-integrated with the OS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
why can i not uninstall internet explorer? i will file complaints with as many regulatory institutions as i can, and encourage all the people i know to do the same.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<QUOTE> Yes, FireFox has had 25 million downloads, but how many people are actually using it?</QUOTE>

Well I'm one of those 25 million, and I've installed the 1 copy on 30 PCs. How many of the others are company IT staff doing the same? Most home users don't even know they have an option when it comes to browsers, they just use what was installed when they bought the system.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All that I hope is this time you take a look of thist site ----> http://www.w3.org/
Anonymous
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Firefox Diehard said: "Wow, my comments have been deleted from this blog!"

I'm glad I'm not the only one "seeing" missing entries!!

...how many, I wonder?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Wow, my comments have been deleted from this blog! What's a matter Dean? As a phrase from Jack Nicholson <quote>You can't handle the truth!</quote> Would love to see my original comments reposted to the blog please!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
And yes, you can run IE6 on Linux with a little help from the good folks at Codeweavers, who make Crossover Office. You can also get your local machine shop to make you some adapter plates and run wooden spoke wagon wheels on your Mercedes. And to answer another question, IE fans dislike Firefox because the become confused and frustrated by all the extra features and customisation possibilities. And while I'm ranting, Microsoft sure owns a lot of patents for a outfit that started out as a cheap imitation of Apple and went downhill from there.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I never used microsoft products for
serious applications, but anyway -
the main job of a browser is to show
webpages correctly (xhtml, css, png,
svg, mathml etc)
- according to this, the
change from msie5 to msie6 was
only mainly cosmetic - so what can
we expect from msie7? even more
work to make websites accessible
for the users of this browser? -
hopefully not - but ms will know is
better.

msie is a browser of the last millennium -
let it die in peace like netscape4!

ms should take the source code from
mozilla and give it an own face like
netscape7, firefox, ephipany, galeon
and so on.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi Friends, I got so excited about the new Google Toolbar for IE on Windows, that I for got to add the real exciting news for the Windows community... Internet Explorer 7 is coming out in beta this summer. Bill...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"committed" cough Let's see if you guys can get it right the first time!!
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am using both IE and Firefox and would like to see IE implement some nice features present in Firefox.

These are the features that are very good in Firefox:
1. Tabbed browsing
2. Extensions
3. Skins support
4. A downloads panel

Plus the most required feature is speed which is a must in case of slower connection.

Will wait patiently till I get the new IE :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Add some tabs for the various IE windows please! I use FireFox at the moment (precisely because of the security issues). I then found that I liked the ability to have tabbed windows so that I can have many sites open but be able to change between them at the click of a tab.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
still, Firefox anyday for me.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One more feature (from firefox) request:
- uninstall please! (or at least disable the browser part and leave the dlls that you really need)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Come'on, everybody knows Microsoft is NOT going to meet the W3C compliancy. This was already planned back in the time IE4 was released. Microsoft's goal is still to turn the Internet into MSN or Microsoft Internet.

A few things you can count on when IE7 will be released:
1. Avelon integrated into your browser,
2. more .NET browser enhanchements,
3. Therefore Less W3C compliancy and proberly more Microsoft standards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
How about operating IE by default in a non-admin context? That should help stem the tide of malware.

As mentioned in the countless posts earlier, a true W3C compliancy would be nice like other browsers on the market.

I'm using FF exclusively instead of IE for some time now. I have over 10 extensions installed on both my work and home machines, that help me work the way that I want. And I frequently have tons of tabs open at the same time. This is functionality that helps me work better, so this is the way that IE should be going.

But, job ONE is security. While if you don't include any other features, include security. It will help greatly the tons of machines that are used by average people. It is those people that IE has really let down. I'm cleaning up spyware problems on a constant basis, and I know the drill when a person calls in and says his computer is slow, or five thousand pop up windows open when you open IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Camaban » Bill Gives Away AntiSpyware
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If you'll make it just a browser, then we might be talking about something good for the world you wish to dominate.

How 'bout this, developers? Grab the dino-source (ftp://pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.8a6/source/Imozilla-source-1.8a6.tar.bz2) and port it to the best API you have lying around from whenever ('93?). Paint it blue and change the UA string, and don't forget to disable the about:Mozilla egg ....
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
" I then found that I liked the ability to have tabbed windows so that I can have many sites open but be able to change between them at the click of a tab."

And then give us an OS that can handle the load. :o
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
can't wait to ditch firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dare we hope that we will be able to install more than one version of IE on a system going forward? You know, like we can with every other browser out there? It would be a huge help for those of us who need to test in various browsers but can't afford to buy a new PC for every test. ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A dramatic weakness in Version 6 is the fact that you cannot set the print option to Landscape and have it stick. I would hope that this is correction in Version 7, otherwise FoxFire looks increasingly attractive.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think the "Feature" I'd like to see most in the next IE is for it to seperate itself from the OS. Windows the Operating System, and other Microsoft products need to be seperate. This would highly increase your security. If IE was not built into Windows, like it is now, most of the spyware and adware problems would be much less severe. I'd also like to see Active X 2.0 or something...where the security actually works and can not be bipassed. Until then, all the machines in my company will remain with IE "security" settings set to the highest capacity and Firefox as their default browser (same goes for Outlook express too!).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm glad to see that you (Microsoft) are finaly taking the step to come out with a new browser. I just hope you take the advice that has been posed in this blog. You can talk about "security" all you want but if the new version dosen't have proper support for standards like your competitors (Firefox) you going to continue to loose the respect of the web developers, which in turn is going to trickle down to the users because the web developers are going to tell them truth. I can be redundant and repeat what most peole are posting to fix, but I think you get the picture. Good luck and I hope to see a well-performing product.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oh yeah I can STRONGLY suggest something...

PLEASE fix the rendering engine! It is a must!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am excited to see what is actually released. I have developed sites for many years now and have always tried to make the same code work on ALL major browsers. If it doesn't work/look right in IE, FireFox or Opera I usually make modification to make it work as close to the desired effect, and lately it has been IE that has been the cause of trouble because of lack of "standards" compatibility.

Proprietary IE stuff I will never use. So don't make it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm happy to know that Microsoft is taking the step to come out with a response to Firefox :)
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There are a lot of things mentioned here that people would like to see in IE7. However most, if not all, are already avialable in other browsers. Plus, if it wasn't for Firefox, IE7 beta wouldn't be coming out this summer. IE7 wouldn't be out until Longhorn comes out some time in 2006. So, if you can't wait until this summer for the beta of IE7, give Firefox a try.

Here is the link: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
AHAHAHA! You've got to be kidding me. You actually welcome IE 7.0. Go figure this blog is on an MSDN based site. When Internet Explorer 7.0 comes out I can pretty much guess (acturately too albeit) that it will be riddled with security holes that hackers will find within about 1-2 months if not quicker. Do I use IE, of course some sites still force you to use IE to view the pages correctly. Although I do perfer FireFox for the majority of the time. Why IE 7 now? I don't understand why anyone would need to ask this. Microsoft is lossing its grip on the browser market and better put something out soon or that 10% will turn into 50% by the end of the summer. The model of wait until a new OS release for a new browser release is absurd. Internet explorer should have been upadated when new standards were finalized and took hold. Sure Mozilla has been around for a while, but so has IE and look which one has more features and security built in. Although I am well aware that Firefox is not immune to attacks.
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January 01, 2003
It is ultimately good that MS is updating IE7.

But frankly, its far too late.
Firefox is simply the best browser there is. Even Opera rocks IE6 to the ground. Anyone played with its voice-functionality in Op8?
Im not sure I could develop a site without using Firefox's developer toolbar extension.

Some really good, pro-firefox talk on this page. Its great to hear it. I couldnt give 2 monkeys about IE7. Firefox 1.0 is here now.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Gott love the diverse reactions regarding FireFox. From my personal experience, most of the people who dislike FireFox are basically "bad" programmers/developers who preferred when they could get away with awful IE-hacked garbage. Now people, and more than just creative types, know what web standards are, and request them. You actually have to know HTML to get a web page to work right, imagine that.

Anyway, unless IE7 can be developed as a cross-platform application (OSX, XP, 2K, etc.) then it's not going to gain back the market share. OSX users are growing, and the last IE for Mac, despite being ahead of it's time, is still riddles w/ errors. (My apologies Tantek).

Microsoft does NOT care about every day consumers. That's been obvious every release of Windows back since 95 (3.x was great for its time IMO)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please add Full CSS2 and/or CSS3 Support
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Those of us who use tabbed browsers based on the IE6 core will be looking forward to the implementation of tabbed browsing in IE7, if only because it will force plugin developers to rewrite their code for MDI interfaces so we can use them in our own tabbed browsing environments. For Pete's sake--we might even use IE itself if it comes to that!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
D0h... Kinda interesting that no one from IE posted anything about updating standards in IE7. Sigh... why must developers learn to code two different standards?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This one's funny:
"I use IE because Firefox does not conform to the Win32 GUI Defaults; to me, those defaults are just as important as web standards."

Right, and I suppose you don't use MS Office either? MS doesn't have any proper UI guidelines because it would be immediately how inconsistent their own apps are.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Who cares? Just add Avant Browser http://www.avantbrowser.com/ as your IE6 front end and you'll probably still be light years ahead of IE7.
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January 01, 2003
We are looking forward new browsers: Gbrowser, Yahoo browser project, living Firefox, ... Age of IE is over. Don't loose your time for IE upgrade. Simply promote Firefox. Long living market competition.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Add my voice to the crowd that is advocating cross-platform support for your new browser (clue: the Internet is cross platform).

How ironic to watch Microsoft marginalize the 800-pound gorilla that was Internet Explorer by dropping Mac support, ignoring Linux, and scoffing at the standards that make the Internet cross platform.

So you guys are going to develop a new version of IE that runs solely on XP? I love it. Now you're even snubbing your nose at your own operating systems! Sounds like you're going to end up with a sweet little niche product there.

If you want to create a winning Internet browser, don't develop for XP; develop for the Internet. Which as we learned above, is cross platform.

Please, please, please, Dean -- read all of the posts on this page and ask yourself, "Is Microsoft really listening to users?" You know, it's not too late to start.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Easy way to meet the deadline for delivering IE7 ? - MICROSOFT BUYS FIREFOX -

;-)
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
well.. refusing standards is like refusing evolving, or refusing futur.. nonsense!

funny stuff to see a hightech company being technologically late of some years.
good to see them reacting hrhrhr!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm not a geek. although I respect geeks. Just a heavy Net user. Sorry, I will never go back to IE, 7 or no 7. There are a few sites Firefox is not good for, and I will use Explorer for them. That's it.

You lost me a long time ago. You just didn't care for too long. Now you do? Hard to believe that.
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January 01, 2003
Do me and everybody who builds websites for a living a big favour and render CSS according to the specs. Otherwise I'll just have to keep the Firefox badges on my work and keep badmouthing IE -- I'd rather not have to work five times as hard to get stuff to work in IE than for all the other browsers combined.

A commitment to standards will go a long long way to making the web an easier place to earn a living on.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
how long will it take before they release a security patch for IE7?
a week? or maybe 3 days?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If you're not going to support client-side XSLT 2.0 in IE 7, I could really care less.

In fact you guyz ought to be ashamed for pushing an XML based future at the end of the millenia, and then dump the idea when the going gets tough.

Sooooooo is Microsoft REALLY committed.

NOPE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Mr. anonymous: Standards do work. Standards are the reason HTTP works, why TCP/IP works, why your CDs are compatible with the many CD drives out there.

If a CD can be compatible with every drive, then a website should be compatible with every browser. Please review what a standard is. It's the bare minimum that everything of a particular type must comply with. Nobody out there can, or even should, tell Microsoft not to add proprietary features on top of the standards, so long as the standards aren't broken in order to do that.

However, almost everyone agrees (desperately desires, actually) that Microsoft should comply with the basic W3C Recommendations that exist. It's the responsible thing to do.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Predictions for IE7:

1. We'll see full CSS2/3, PNG support

2. ActiveX is out (supported for backwards compatability); managed 'applets' are the way forward; .Net 2.0 framework will be mandatory

3. The managed code support will sink its roots deep into IE7's internal workings, making any cross-browser .Net development wait until somebody recreates the IE7 API in Mozillaland.

4. Tabbed browsing will appear in a more streamlined, user-friendly (user-proof) form than Firefox/Opera, but won't go all the way to iRider/Sleipnir's hierachical page trees

5. A shiny new layer of security protections will be present, and will be soundly defeated within 2 months of release; MS won't patch IE7 in time to stop the Next Big Worm

6. Though great standards support will be added, there will be enough mangled interpretation of standards and new MS-created standards that web developers will soon wind up in the same position as before: coding for IE7 and "non IE7" browser worlds

7. Post-Longhorn, there won't be a new MS browser product until another browser product hits 10% market share (and don't tell me they're releasing IE7 "in response to their customers" -- if that were true it would have been out 3 years ago)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
plz send me ie 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would say that if you guys plan to deliver a major new version you should take this very good opportunity to re-write (or update, whatever) to fully comply the w3c standards, as currently is partially supports many of CSS features, for instance.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What's everyone so worked up about? There are lots of good browsers out there that beat IE hands down on speed, compatibility, security and whatnot. Don't be blinded by MS saying (as usual) that this time it's going to be better - it never is.
I say just move on people...
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January 01, 2003
.. is the plague of the browser market. the teams infinite dodging of questions regarding the browsers css, dom and xhtml support merely shows a reader with minumim insight into the current situation regarding web standards, that microsoft is doing absolutely nothing about what the 'world' wants you to 'commit to'. your 'committing' text looks to me, like some slogan and body an unskilled copywriter had written. your infinite attempts to set the focus on security issues (which would not have been there, if malware had nothing to exploit), is comparable to politics, where more and more, people seem to point to outside threats to get away with their own mistakes. you have responsibilites to your customers, youre right. what about your responsibility to developers? ah yes, of course.. you don't have to worry about that, the developers will just get trapped into .net by your marketing. hehe, not true.. more and more developers will revolt in angst resulting from explorers flaws. there will be a time, when other browsers support 3.0, and your browser will get the "please update your web browser" section of the website.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
WHAT ABOUT TABBED BROWSING ?? CAN YOU INCLUDE IT THIS TIME ?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Give me Standards or give me death!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
mmm, for when will the IE7 be ready?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7, if it's ready to go, I be the first one who dump IE6.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Too little too late.

bye bye IE forever.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would like see in the IE 7:

1. Tabbed browsing.
2. Re-Engineered rendering engine.
3. New imporved interface.
4. Accessibility and usability.
5. Nice tiny-tools you can find in other browsers like firefox and opera.
6. Download manager.
7. Full support to standards.

That's for now... later!

Sharkasi
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No matter what features or improvements are added into IE7 -- it's too late..

Firefox/Mozilla have become the web browser innovators and IE is playing catch-up, due to lack of standards support and ignorance.

We have also become tired of hearing about browser security fixes. It is used as an excuse for poor coding and poor testing.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It is too little too late, they are doing security updates that browsers like Mozilla, Firefox and Opera (etc) have been able to do way before them, but the thing is that you can never get rid of IE it's on your (Windows) computer if you like it or hate it. It may have quote "improved security" but it just won't have the tabbed browsing or DOM compliancy that the other browsers provide. When I code a site now, I usually test it in Opera or Firefox. IE seems to never look right for me, but I do use PNG format images, and they never display on my coded sites.
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January 01, 2003
It's all about the paper :)
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The Licquia Blog » Internet Explorer 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Stop reading about vaporware that is unlikely to be much better than the 5-years old IE6.

Download Firefox now and see why so many of us have already switched:

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
oooh...wooow...Internet Exploder 7. Who cares? I'll never support a product that trys to tear appart the internet with so many propprietary protocols.

Get <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/>Firefox</a>
firefox is secure fast, and has many free and useful extensions for download. Firefox also has tabbed browsing(a reason I could never switch back to ie).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dang, my link didn't work. =/ lol Just click on Peter's above.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am viewing this of Firefox!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd just really like some better standards support. :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i am just eager to know onething. All these opensource advocates..will they work for free???? then why do we need opensource!!!

microsoft rules...waiting for IE 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will it have different skins, extensions, and goodies like Mozilla Firefox? And will it be able to handle transparent png files?
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
leave it to ignorance to make comments about something they don't know about. opensource, doesn't always mean free. it means that the source code is open to the community, which means that you can still sell software, but the source code is open to be improved upon once bought, unlike ms who sells closed source product, which you are not supposed to mess with. in fact you are only given a license to use the software, for the most part you don't even own it, which is why ms has become subject to many attacks.
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January 01, 2003
anand, Blah, don't get disheartened. We'll let the open sourcers innovate all the way to court when the patent suit hits.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Can we get a blog where we can discuss what we want to see in IE7? Other than CSS and PNG support - I think that has been mentioned at least once before.
And please tone down the Firefox rah-rah-rah - we get it! -- tabbed browsing is the most important invention since the internal combustion engine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Add JPG2000 (.jp2) support (www.luratech.com

Thx
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January 01, 2003
I am pretty sure that IE7 will again ignore standards. It will declare its bugs as the way to do things and web designers will either continue to simply write buggy web pages or have a hard time to make them work for both browsers that observe standards and IE. Users will continue to think that websites that adapt to IE's bugs "do not work with other browsers correctly" and MS will be happy about it. There will still be a bunch of proprietary protocols that only work in IE or only on Windows and they will still provide a neverending repertoire of security holes. Same old story, whether or not there are a few little features added or not.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please follow the W3C standards. I really want CSS2 & DOM support, viewable SVG and full PNG support and ECMAScript rather than JScript. Please get the basics right. Microsoft stresses 'Developers, Developers, Developers!' and then ignores these long running developer requests. Please, please, please get the web standard right. I'm sure you can code the standards correctly.

To cris, we are stressing CSS & PNG because Microsoft doesn't get it. This cry has been going since 1998. It is a complete PITA to have to code to a 'substandard' when there is a perfectly good standard that could be used.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
In response to Kawahee - you're clearly just not very good, it's DEAD easy to center pages without <table> and <center> in FF. Just do a bit of educating and you'll see.

People are saying that IE can't render things because it can't. I and many many other developers spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get it to behave like a respectable browser. It's a total waste of time.

So IE7 - what's the point in just tweaking the creaking carcass of IE6, start again and do it properly.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hi where downlod IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IE7 First, some basics: we're committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. I don't care about security. I want a browser that is standards compliant. This stupidity of building a site backwards in order to accomodate...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Standards, standards, standards!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
STANDARDS COMPLIANCE PLEASE! Anyone in Redmond here me? Didn't thinks so.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Honestly, I do not understand why anyone cares about IE7 since there are several better browsers available, why even worry about an update to IE5?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hmm. If after these comments Microsoft will not do something with IE7's standard compatibility, then... Well I don't write those words down here.

Anyway, I'm not sure, that MS will be able to care about standards. At first, IE's code (as everybody is talking about it) is not a nice one. At second, if pages, that working well today with IE, but far-far from standards will go wrong if a new IE coming out, what they can say? Sorry, we had a bad browser on the net for years?

So, good luck. :) Game is on.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As a developer: I'd like to be able to really be able to step through client side HTML, scripts, etc... as they render, process and easily see what objects in memory look like, etc... and what is going to/from the server, etc...

As a user: IE should serve ME above and beyond any web site content running in it. The web browser frame and final control is MINE, and it always shows the truth, all the context of what the page is doing: where its coming from, and all the resources its using in my PC, etc... I should also be able to limit the PC resources (CPU, MEM, DISK, etc) used by the browser TOTAL and per browser window, so it can never take over all my PC resources.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
We want FEWER features, not MORE features!

Rock solid simplicity beats cheap, hackable bells-n-whistles any day.
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When will people realise Microsoft are totally responsible for security holes in Windows and IE? Don't get excited and jumping up and down because they've threatened us with a beta of another IE. You really think it will be that much better? You should be thanking Mozilla for MS's IE 7 release.

It's really about time Microsoft played nice with everyone else and stopped trying to rule the world. Get security sorted out. I shouldn't have to download a 260mb service pack to fix the holes in buggy software. IE 6 is bloated, I'm expecting IE 7 to be the same.

Maybe you can do something with a new email client too, one that can't propogate virii by previewing mails maybe? That would be nice.

I remember reading sometime back that something like 4000 developers worked on IE 6, which was more than worked on Windows 2000 (or something along those lines). How many are going to work on IE 7, and do they know how to check for buffer overflows?

MS say they're committed to security and preventing problems. Listen MS, you caused most of the problems in the first place so it is your DUTY to make sure you prevent it from happening in the future, and your responsibility to fix what's broken now, and I don't seriously believe you're committed to either.

If you're giving the product away for free, how about releasing the source code???

Stop trying to take over the world. It's not yours. It's ours. I don't want to use Windows and IE, so stop pushing them in my face! Everytime I go to Hotmail and buttons are missing because I'm not using IE, that's not what the Internet is about.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Saying that it will shut up firefox users!!! Will it block ALL ADWARE/SPYWARE and POP-UPS????????????

If so, then firefox has competition!!!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I recently went for recruitment at my alma mater. I found people would really appreciate tab feature in IE. This will provide them extra level of grouping.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@vetinari
"Microsoft can't win type 1, because as soon as it innovates open sourcers will copy."
This must be why every open-source office application suite has a dancing paperclip. Really, that's the only Microsoft innovation I can think of.

"Also, for you interoperability clowns out there. You're always going on about how monocultures are bad. You often use biological arguments to back your points. Well, why are you so keen on standards then? Surely different software and platforms give 'genetic' diversity, different standards give memetic diversity."
Can you say "Balkanization"? I take it you don't remember what computing was like in the 1970s or 1980s.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
IDN please!!!!1
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> I absolutely hate FF - it's slow and it can't render anything properly. What is with people saying IE doesn't render stuff properly? I remember helping a friend with centering a layer in a FULLY COMPLIANT XHTML/CSS site. FF couldn't do it.

I've seen this claim a few times. Every time I've seen the code involved, the person has been trying to centre block elements with text-align.

CSS says this should not work. CSS says that to centre block-level elements, you should give them automatic side margins.

Internet Explorer gets it wrong. Firefox gets it right. People who haven't bothered to understand CSS complain that it doesn't work in Firefox. People who have bothered to understand CSS complain that it doesn't work in Internet Explorer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Unless you are planning on rewriting bloated, slow, insecure IE from scratch, it is now dead thanks to the likes of Firefox.

IE is now beyond upgrading - it's not like a Microsoft upgrade ever makes anything leaner.

Firefox has it perfect - it's quick, small and efficient and secure. Most important is that on the surface it LOOKS and FEELS like IE (UI is one thing you can't fault MS on).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well this is good news due to IE7 only supporting XP SP2, all other user will now migrate to FireFox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Would it support on Win 98, NO. Then the sames goes to Win 2K. I HOPE THEY DO!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't think of anything that would be compelling enough to make me want to change to IE that would still be legal.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003

To the IE developer team:

I am the Web GUI Developer, and our profession really depends on Web clients. For the administration interfaces, I still count on IE. I may confirm that the security (and stability) is indeed one of the major things we wait, but that should not come without the other essentials, and we need them for yesterday!!! I know that you can identify them yourself, so I would just confirm and hope that you are listening.

1. Standards! The most important should be W3C standards - hey, people there are trying really hard, and you have that for free! At the moment, please give us more standard CSS, XHTML and PNG.

2. Shell Interface! Just look at Maxthon and do the same. Nothing more, nothing less.

3. Script Debugging! Yes, we do have some options on this (barely), but please try to integrate it better.

4. Download Manager! Come on, people, are you kidding?! How could one possibly download anything without it? (And please! try to not make it inferior to other DL managers).

Thank you!

PS. Are you listening?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oh, I almost forgot. Can you believe that we are using the Internet for many things beside the Web browsing? Wow, how about this:

5. Integration of the Internet Services:

- RSS (you could integrate it in IE, much like Pluck does)
- News (almost dead because of poor integration in Windows)
- FTP (every single FTP client do it better than Explorer)
- Download Manager (already in our list, isn't it? I would be happy with the FlashGet as a model)
- P2P (OK, just trying)
- Instant Messaging and Video (OK, we got that Messanger instead...)
- Terminal Services (funny this list is, isn't it)

Sure you know those should be Plug-ins, so that we could use other software instead if we like, don't you? You would profit as usually, by counting on that most people would use them as the default.

PS. Hey, I could even tolerate your promotions at those Plug-ins (you know, banners, usual blah-blah stuff and such). OK, I admit, I would bane them with some more plug-ins. But, most Johns would not, you know.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Kiram Dahanetun jakesh jam konin berin gomshin ba IE 7.0 tetun
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
W FIREFOX
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Microsoft revealed that this summer they will release a beta of Internet Explorer 7.0 for Windows XP with Service Pack 2.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
5-6 Meg download, ActiveX as a plugin only, PNG alpha support, Proper CSS support (min-width, max-width, content attributes), multi platform (OS-X, Win2000, Unix; even if it takes a while).

Oh, I just described Firefox?! Maybe MS should have started 'listening' sooner?

Not worried about tabbed browsing, it's nice but not too important from a developers point of view, only from a usability point of view. I have to admit that MS usually get their usability about right for their simpler apps though.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
please MS improve support for saving html pages as a single .MHT file!
there are pages that cannot be saved, and other pages that crash ie6 when reloaded!
(many of these pages are from MSDN, how ironic...)
please fix it, I don't want to switch to firefox just to use .MHT files (firefox supports this using the MAF extension).
thanks.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
mmmh...only for xp sp2!
I would use it on all my pc...not only the last purchased!
I think i'll continue with mozilla and firefox...and you??
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
@ Randall Fitzgerald's post on 2/15/2005 11:58 AM

Open Standards are necessary. Closed ones are bad, because they are not known. We can't do what we want with them, and that definitely is a bad thing.

But you were arguing that when the final user sees a ill-coded page, written by someone without knowledge of W3C standards, IE should somehow correct his flaws.

That is, modify the page. Think on what you are saying.

I oppose to that because of two reasons:

First, you would never be sure wether IE is going to render your page correctly or just "interpret" the way it should be rendered. No, I don't want to check wether it is correctly rendered with IE -- I want to know that I'm writing good code, and that it should be correctly rendered. That's not my job, it's IE's.

Second, your argument implies that MS should fix (ehem) the mess that an ignorant user has made. My answer is: why? Whoever develops a website should either a) use a WYSYWIG prorgam which is standards-compliant or b) know what they are doing.

This is important: we can't allow the users to be ignorant. They can be taught, and helped, but in a manner that they learn. And MS philosophy, all through their programs, goes towards keeping users as less knwoledgeable as possible.

Why does a user need to know W3C standards? Well, this comment is a fine read, right? It has return carriages, paragraphs, commas, colons, etc. I also tried to write it in an acceptable english, and (though there is bound to be some) without many typos. Anyone that has to type a text should strive towards this. It makes it easier to read, easier to understand, and shows that the writter invested time and effort into doing his best.

After all, the Net is meant to communicate.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It is good they are putting out IE7 there revenue stream is slowing. This gives everybody a chance to help Microsoft out.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hello leading websites (except MSN, of course). Get a clue. NOW is the time to start encouraging your users to switch from Internet Explorer to Firefox. Where are the ‘Get Firefox Now’ buttons on your homepages? Where’s the customized Firefox...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yea, good luck with that. I'll believe it when I see it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
2 things caused me to switch from IE to FF after 9 years, even though I think that FF is inferior: <br>
-tabbed browsing <br>
-RSS/Live Bookmarks <br>
if IE 7 had tabbed browsing, and RSS/Live Bookmarks, I would switch back in a second.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i hope IE7 won't be "Based on NCSA Mosaic". It's time to move away, and it's really not that hard for Microsoft to come up with a really good (i meant perfect) internet browser. Tabs, transparent PNGs, RSS reader+editor, Better Favorites viewer+editor, a better and more user-friendly download manager.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I hope IE 7 will have a better support for "all" Devanaagarii fonts (from India) whether or not they be Unicode. From IE4 through IE6, the fonts were displayed quite horribly. Improper separations of the characters, corruption all the time. Do you want a sample. Go to this site where the poor guy has to recommend Mozilla browsers to their visitors to workaround the fault of Microsoft:

www.sanskrit-sanscrito.com.ar
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
can't beleive i'm reading this...

as an expert in IT, i am always called (both inside and outside of work) regarding problems with their computers.

99% its because of spyware, and out of this 99%, they all use Internet Explorer.

i changed to firefox last year sometime, and don't get me wrong, i've had a few bits of spyware, but nowhere near as much as I did with IE.

I always have Spybot S+D and AVG AntiVirus running and clean/update more than twice a week.

Once, I installed XP, did a WIndows Update, downloaded WinRAR and that was it... I had popups already... within 25 minutes of a clean installation... pathetic
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Bonjour à tous,
IE7 existe déjà : http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/

Il a été développé par un seul développeur passioné et résoud la majorité des manquement d'IE6 ;-)

Comment MS compte justifier le fait qu'une société de centaines de millions de $ de benefice, ne peut pas affecter une équipe de 10 personnes pour résoudre le probléme ?

Hont à vous. Personellement, j'utilise Firefox, et tant que IE ne supportera pas XHTML1.0, CSS2.1, DOM2 et une version descente d'ECMAScript je ne vois aucune raison de revernir aux solutions MS.

Messieurs de MS, à vous de jouer et de nous prouver que vous savez être réactifs.

À tous, en attendant que MS résolve ses délires existencialistes, passez à Firefox !
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One other feature that IE lacks, and is the biggest reason I test my WebApps with FireFox, is a total lack of "developer mode" (well IE does have the "Disable Debugging (IE)" checkbox in Advanced Settings to allow for proper JS debugging.

But I would like to be able to enable a developer mode so that IE would tell me there are HTML errors (ex: missing </td>,</table>,</div>,etc) along with complaining about things like calling a JS or CSS file with a bad path or filename
(ex: <script language="JavaScript" src="/libraries/javascript.js"></script> )

A serious of popup windows would not be satisfactory as they would be a flood but perhaps a seperate window or a side bar (like where the IE history is in) would contain all issues.

I can say without a doubt, until MS takes WebApp debugging more serious, I will forever have to install FireFox because while it doesn't fully satisfy my issues, it brings me 1 step closer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd >>like<< to be able to update to SP2 (IE7 is the example of what was bound to happen eventually. But what about the set of users like myself who have had immense trouble getting the SP2 upgrade to work? I've tried everything recommended but it's a no-go.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Finally IE7.

Especially the full PNG support, finally!!!

But aren't you taking risks downgrading IE7 from Longhorn to XP SP2? Both systems are different I guess...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yeee!!! It rox soooo much!! I can have a hundred thousand tabs in a quadrillion of windows and it is still fast! It has proper printing! It gets standards implemented properly! It looks and works beautifully! And it can browse filesystems aswell as any other resource you might think of! And you know what's best?
KDE is soon coming to WINDOWS! Not that I care, because I am very happy with my Gentoo Linux since switchting a year ago.. but I feel there are a lot of Joe's who will be..
So M$ has to really have some grand ideas for making IE7/LH even up-par! Better? Well, you could, if you only had released XP/IE6 and afterwards took the 5000 devs to a programming seminar, then start all over! But now it's gonna get reaaaal tough, even with that many devs.. to correct mistakes, you first have to acknowledge them, right? Mr. Gates seems faar from that, rather relying on legal and marketing strategies. Whatever, just go on trying to build a quakeproof scyscraper on a mud fundament..
How it all turns out? Well, will see....
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Well, I think this is going to be a cold war between FireFox and IE.
Until last month I was a devoted user of IE. But the main drawback I saw in IE was its poor security and heavy integration with the underlyin OS.
When FF completely replaced IE, I just tried because of my curiosity. And now I use IE only for testing the compatibility of my JS.
FF is thin and fast. No security hazards upto now. And MOST FASCINATING FEATURE IS THE TABS!
Now I am waiting for FF 1.1 rather than IE7.
And I appreciate the work of FF guys for releasing a wonderful peace of code in the first version.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
To assist me in my browsing to mozilla.org and download firefox that is.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/images.php?imageid=9307
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i just want to try ie 7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Preuve que le marché (peu porteur...) des navigateurs est relancé, Bill Gates a annoncé vouloir intégrer une nouvelle version de IE au système d'exploitation développé actuellement par Microsoft (Longhorn). Il se pourrait même que la version beta soit ...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ever viewed ebuyer.com without CSS enabled? (turn it off with th webdev toolbar in firefox):

"Please note:
The content here at ebuyer.com is accessible to every type of browser, however, this browser appears to not support any of the basic Web Standards. To view the site as it is intended please feel free to upgrade your browser from either of these. Mozilla, IE6, Opera or Netscape"

I like ebuyer for this because they mention Mozilla before IE6 :).

One day i'll end up writing something like that for people using IE.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
everybody is talking about feautures that are present!!!!! why do you ask for:

1. Add REAL PNG Support
2. Add REAL CSS Support
3. Add REAL DOM Support
4. Add REAL XHTML Support
5. Leave ActiveX
6. More Fast
7. More based on standards
8. Tabbed browsing

why?

WHY ARE YOU USING IE?!?!?!?!?!?

MSIE does everything except what you want it to do, and firefox opera whatever other browser does what you want and more securely, so why do you want those feautures? just stick with your other browser and let microsoft live on his perfect "secure" world
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's been said over and over again... fix the render problem. Implement CSS2/3 support. As a web developer, as many have said, it's a real pain to build a site that's cross platform compatible and compliant simply because IE doesn't have a clue when it comes to CSS.

Until that's fixed... IE won't be winning back too many web developers.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Continued
For ie to be my main browser again it would have to have this:
Pop-up/under blocking.
Adblock capability.
No integration with the os for storage of temp files , passwords , history and such.
That is the storage for those files is in one folder and i can delete it anytime i like when im not running the browser.
Not like the current ie which the only way to see all of the files in the ie temporary folders is from another operating system.
Ability to archive websites like the firefox spiderzilla plugin does.
I dont see this happening anytime soon.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Full CSS2.1 compliance would be nice, but in any case, please don't forget proper display: support, including display: table. It would allow creating tabular CSS layouts without misused <table> elements or floats. Thank you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will IE7 include support for JPEG2000 using JPIP now that both are ISO standards?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
too late.
bye bye IE.
I like Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Great!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PNG and W3C CSS compliance for GODS SAKE PLEASE!!!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
woohoo IE7 ..great news too hear....

Please fix PNG transparency...make the web a better place to live in :)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I would also add that you add syntax highlighting for viewing the source in web pages, that would be really nice.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Too little too late.. Sorry but i think the ship has sailed. Firefox will be taking over by the time you release ie7 and fix all those new bugs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All Microsoft has to do is take Firefox, right click and rename to IE 7.0 and integrate it into the OS and I will be a very happy boy. I was a firefox skeptic too, until i tried it. It has its shortcomings, but tabbed browsing and the speed at which it loads web pages increases productivity greatly.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Rich's Place » The Firefox Juggernaut Sloweth?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
it would help if IE supported the standards of CSS2 and XHTML fully, also showing Alpha PNG.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think this is the best IE from microsoft did it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Are there any screenshots available?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It seems as if there will be a new version of Internet Explorer, dubbed version 7 by the Microsoft IE development team.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
figby.com » Browser Stats: The State of Firefox
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will already the beta have Longhorn like visual style?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
and remember .. the firefox people arent exactly going to die either .. For some reason i have this feeling that within 3 months of ie7 the nice people at mozilla incoporate all its features and then some into whatever incarnate of firefox is around then
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Go Firefox!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
bun tare
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Whatever...give me the beta so my machine can crash with that too?? I don't know about anyone else, but whenever I get a beta or even a full version of anything Microsoft, I have to wait 6 months for them to get the bugs out. And I like testing betas????!!!!

So in 9 months, talk to me again about IE 7.0. Until then, I'm sticking with Firefox, which does have a plug-in that enables a webpage to be seen in IE if it's not compatible in Firefox. Now THAT is a great tool!!!

Good luck Microsoft. You're gonna need it now that Firefox is eating your food!! Viva la Mozilla!! Viva la Linux!!! Free Free Free.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's really a shame IE spent so much time without a new version. After Netscape Navigator lost the browser wars, there was almost no upgrades for the old IE6. It took the open source community a while to straighten up all the Mozilla code, but finally there is a strong competitor after all.

It would be nice to see MS embracing open standards instead of implementing new proprietary, slightly incompatible versions of open standards. Just for those without a memory: HTML vs. IE HTML extensions, Java vs. C#, PHP/JSP vs. ASP, MP3 vs. WMA, MPEG vs. WMV, and the list goes on.

Just my 2 cents on the issue,
Sergio Henrique
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
btw, I use Firefox... the MS applications r done for me... sorry guys... NOT!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MS & IE Forever Baby!

Send me 1000 copies please... so that I might distribute it to the masses in dire need of a web browsing solution.

jk

I am zealous about a new version. However, don't cram security in your mind and forget abou functionality and practicality.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
it great
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Da der Internet Explorer ja der Browser ist, der die SharePoint Plattform am besten unterst
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
First of all, I'd like to say that even though everything I use is open source (except for windows itself, but when I'm on widows, I don't even use exploror as a shell), I'm not neccissarily just pro open source. I'm pro what ever is the best, and open source technology available today just happens to be the best around.

Now Dean, I want you read this carefully. Are you reading? Good. I'm going to solve this problem for you. I'm going to make it all okay.

Now, you guys seem to be pretty upset that you lost 5% of your market share. I agree, that's terrible. That 5% was lost pretty quick, and you're only going to lose more as more and more people discover Firefox. So it's best to do something about it now before it becomes a problem.

Now lets look at what makes Firefox better. I'm not even really going to mentian the fact that IE is nowhere near standards complient. So what if it doesn't support CSS2? Let's all face it, the average IE user doesn't know that he's missing out at all. Of course, if you really wanted, you could add in full support for things like CSS2 and PNGs; The average IE user would see the cool things that it does in webpages and think it's one of the new features of IE7. Really, it's OK if nobody on the team really knows how - just go to http://www.mozilla.org/source.html and study up a little bit, you should be able to figure it out in no time.

So what is it about Firefox that people are loving?

Security is a major issue. One of the things you can do is remove Active X - it's hardly used on the web, and you wont lose anything by taking it out. Also, obviously, disable popups. Not very hard either. Then you'll also be taking out all of the popup blockers that people are installing from third party websites.

But the things people see immeadiatly when they start playing with Firefox are the most important. First off, it is possible (and extremely easy) to change Firefox's theme. Themes install rather quickly, and very easily - all you have to do is click on a link and it will first ask your permission, and then install the skin, and finally ask you if you'd like to use that skin. There's also a little control panel for quickly changing skins, complete with little screenshots to remind you what it looks like. But ok, if you don't want anything like that, that's okay too. Like I said before, most people wont know what they are missing.

Another thing people instantly love is the extention support. With extentions, you can make the browser do pretty much anything! And the best part is the good folks that make Firefox don't even have to make the extentions - the users make it for them. If one of them is full featured, stable, and people really like it. then they can just integrate it into main code base, and there they have it - a new feature.

Now this is really where you guys get a chance to shine and really destroy Firefox. Firefox has a mere 25 million users. That's nothing compared to you and you know it. You've got, what? a good 200 million users on them? No, wait, 500 million? That's an extremely big difference. If you had extention support for IE, just think about how many more dedicated developers you would have spending their free time expanding the features of IE. So IE and Firefox get into a good ole browser war. Well it wouldn't really matter what new features Firefox came out with, there'd be some user that would see it and write an extention to add the very same feature of IE. You have a nice licence involved giving you all of the rights to extentions published on your website, and you can just integrate the feature right into IE for the next version. That takes a lot of the work of competing of your sholders.

There's some other little stuff in Firefox that people like too, for example the little search bar to the right of the URL form. Now Firefox users take it for granted that they can add, remove, and change what search engines are used in it, but your users don't know the difference! Just stick MSN search right there! Then you have most of IE7's users returning to your site daily simply out of convienince, where they will get used to your branding, and view your advertisments for more of your products.

Another thing people like is tabbed browsing. Really now, how hard can this be to integrate? They middle click on a link and it opens in a new tab. Easy stuff, and it'll take away another of Firefox's benefits over IE.

And that's not even mentianing the little things, like the RSS reader built into Firefox.

Now see? Just copy Firefox and this scare will all be over. The only ones still using Firefox will be Linux and Mac users. You'll control windows again, like you should. You don't have to be afraid anymore, Dean. You're better than this. Microsoft is better than this. I know these Open Source guys are scary, giving away potentially expensive software for free, and updating their software more than once every 5 years, and listening to what the users want, or letting the users give themselves what they want - but you can overcome. You're special because you're you. (There's two I's in Ling Ling 0_o).

Not that I really have faith in Microsoft anymore. No, no.. I lost faith in Microsoft when I upgraded windows and found out that I could no longer boot up my computer into DOS. I love using the best. And I'm just afraid that you're going to do what you've always done, and release IE7 with a little bit of added security that hackers are going to circumvent within a few days of it being out, add some cosmetic changes, and convince millions of idiots that you're doing them a favor.

But seriously, I wish you the best of luck. Prove me wrong. Or take my advice. Or take the endless advice of your dedicated and foolishly faithful users. Be commited. If you give me all of the features I want in a browser, and if you make it so I put things like, say, fixed positioning and transparent pngs in my websites, I'll gladly start using IE again. Gladly. And all of my friends still stuck using the (obviously) inferior alternatives - I'll tell them all the good news! That Microsoft has come through, and there's no more need to worry.

But seriously, does anybody really expect anything good from this? Just new propietary technology, that's going to create new security holes, and split the web developing community even further. And unless you guys really get do some serious work and come up with some amazing innovation, anything that IE7 does come out with is going to be in Firefox a couple weeks later!

Ok, I'm done with my ranting now... Thanks for reading this Dean. I know I can trust you.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
WE know whats the best right now and its firefox 1.0.1
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ok
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
""It would be nice to see MS embracing open standards instead of implementing new proprietary, slightly incompatible versions of open standards. Just for those without a memory: HTML vs. IE HTML extensions, Java vs. C#, PHP/JSP vs. ASP, MP3 vs. WMA, MPEG vs. WMV, and the list goes on.""

Java is not an open standard. C# (.NET) is it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i need this software
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've been using Maxthon (formerly MYIE2) for over a year and think it FAR outperforms Firefox. It's funny how Firefox has gotten all the attention for things that Maxthon has had for a long, long time. Maxthon should have had a better marketing agency!

Currently, I have about 8 browsers loaded on my machine, just to make sure that web pages I edit work in all of them. My absolute favorite (although it's not practical for daily use) is PhaseOut!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Interesting...

Anyway, I've seen a bunch of people having trouble installing SP2. Some of them even saw Windows crashing after installing SP2. They had to install XP, and this time, sans SP2. Not everyone uses WinXP, and not all XP users have SP2 installed and working without trouble. I wasn't amused when I found out that IE7 would be for the XP+SP2 combo. I have them both, but I'm still not amused.

A great number of people have already mentioned web standards, PNG, and many other things. I'm not a web developer (though I'm studying to be one) but an end-user... Still, I could see where they stand. Even THIS end-user has been frustrated due to the aforementioned problems while using IE. I'm afraid that I'll see even more of the ugliness as my study continues...

I don't think it'll hurt to flush ActiveX down the toilet... :P

What else? It'd be great to be able to customize IE to my liking. No, not just apperance-wise, although pretty looks are good. I'm talking feature-wise. I've recently installed a bunch of extensions for Firefox, and I love how FF does what I want it to do. If I need something more, I can go ahead, find an extension, and add it. If I want to get rid of something, I can go ahead and uninstall an extension.

I remember a time when a friend of mine had IE continously crashing on him. He bombarded everyone on his MSN Messenger contact list for help, and I happaned to be around. I sent him a Firefox installer. It happened again even after he re-installed Windows. Same solution again. Oh well.

I do use IE when necessary, though - some sites do force me to. :( That's why I'd love to see some REAL improvements on IE. I'll even use it when it comes out. I already am NOT a full-time IE user, and I doubt I will be. To me, IE is a necessary evil that I'd like to see become far less evil than it is.

My future plans: Get a machine and install Linux on it; Start looking for a Firefox extention that needs to be localized for Korean FF users (I love being bilingual, and I'll love it even more when I put my skills to a good use); and KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED and hope that IE7 will be much, much less problematic than IE6.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Thats nice news, but where some facts about new version? I don't want use only new title and having such troubles as with ie6 and less... I want faster, stable and smarty like opera IE...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
All the posts i've read thus far seem to put design and appearance ahead of performance. Though buggy in IE still, you have to give it some credit. The IE team is trying its best to give what you want, but like i said, performance should always come before design. Work on the design later, heck, put the menu i dont care, just give me something fast.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
its all about the tabs bill!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I will try it out on my work machine, to give it the benefit of the doubt at least. Unfortunatly for you, IE and Windows have lost the browser and OS war for me at home. Linux wasn't "ready" for my desktop when I first tried it a few years back, but now that we have Novell, Mandrake, and RedHat making install it and forget it versions of Linux, it works like a charm.

I code for standards-compliant browsers. I will not waste my time with fixes for IE. I simply put a reference on the page where users can find out why the page looks funny and of course a link to mozilla.org.

I will give Microsoft a lot of credit for the things they do well. They seriously kick *ss in the gaming arena, but they really have slacked in both OS design and anything having to do with internet connectivity.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There is more to FireFox then a cool look and nifty features.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The only, only, only thing I want (ouside of imporved security), is a tighter, or complete adaption to the w3c standards, and rendering these pages correctly. JUST because people code and create pages the wrong way, does not mean that MS has to cater to them, CATER to how you are supposed to do it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good point, Leo.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx">Word is</a> Internet Explorer 7 is coming this year.</p>
<p>Yawn</p>
<p>So far no one has given a reason to use it. Plus, since it's from Microsoft, you know it's going to be buggy.</p
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
dom2 events and css opacity please.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
you wouldn't get dialers if you stayed off "them kinda" sites
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
good
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Nothing to say.

Whatever Microsoft Give new enhancements to the IE7 release, it will have more loopholes than it previous release.Compared to Fastest webbrowser Opeara till now the IE not best.In size and so on.
Any way all the best,nobody get angry when using the IE 7.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When will MS relise that the world does not revolve around them but around everything else. US webdevers go by standards not individual standards but world standards that ALL use not just a small population. Microsoft should take apart Firefox and copy as much as it can off it and learn why there winning in the popularity contentest
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
thank you
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think all the people here going on about how it would be nice for IE to fully support css etc and then ranting on about how good FF is could do with not being so quick to judge. Sometimes the most basic css doesn't work in FF and does in IE. I'm not having a go at FF, it's great and the rendering does -as has been pointed out here, look infinately better than that of ie but it's important to remember how complex both of these programs actully are and how much depth there is in each. thanhtung makes a good point though. Full support of shared standards should come before adding any new features and by making it easier to turn off features like activex and other potential security threats (along with detailed discriptions as to what they do for the layman) you would be responding to the people who download firefox becasue of security concerns.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I don't agree at all with someone saying that the most basic css doesn't work in Firefox. I have never seen anything that is coded to W3C's standards not perform properly in Firefox. On every webpage I design I put in code that suggests a user switch to a compliant browser, it doesn't necessairly have to be firefox, but IE is so far from it right now, I would never suggest someone use it. It only hurts the internet by pushing more for a proprietary design structure which, from a web designers point of view, is a nightmare. Anyways, I though IE was supposed to be a browser, that means updating it to follow standards in place by the man who invented the world wide web. Apparently IE is just a low end security tool masquerading as a browser. Good luck.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
don't forget speed! the speed of IE is the only thing that stops me from using it.

Brian
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"I think of today’s announcement as a clear statement back to our customers: 'Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.'"

You've been taking lessons from Tony Blair on how to give speeches, haven't you? :D

I make webpages, and I am extremely frustrated at IE's lack of support for basic XHTML/CSS and PNG support. In a way, I'm happy: these limitations make me find creative solutions and force me to think carefully about what I'm doing. I like the differences in rendering BUT they also limit me in a lot of ways, preventing me from doing what I actuallywanted to do (short of telling IE users to leave, or giving them a different page; two things I will never do).

I'm not as furiously opposed to IE as some are, but I do feel, very strongly, that the feeling of relief I get when something works in IE is fundamentally wrong. I should be able to expect something to work first time. In the majority of cases, it does - and that's great - but in a few cases (backgroung/position fixed, for instance) it doesn't.

I don't really care about security issues: my browser (firefox) does that better, and I like its customisability. I don't care that IE doesn't have tabs: my browser does. I don't care that IE doesn't have extensions: my browser does. All I want is for Microsoft to hear one customer (personally, I love XP and I'm addicted to Office: all other office suites are just rubbish, in my opinion) and my plea is this: do whatever you like with security and whatnot, run Mozilla into the ground, I don't care - just please, PLEASE make IE support web standards and PNG. You're gonna make a lot of people happy with the security updates; why not make millions of web designers all over the world happy too?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
will it work for windows server 2003?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Looking forward to the BETA version to see the benifits over the current version. Thanks for listening Microsoft.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I like firefox a lot, but I welcome the IE upgrade. Most people don't care what they use to browse the internet, and so they use what's there. Might as well give them an upgrade to the one that's "there." It'll help us all in the end.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Oh, a quick one...

Change "Favorites" to "Bookmarks". When I flag a site, it isn't necs. my "favorite". It might be a ToDo list, or a gross picture link, or instructions on how to get rid of Clippy, etc.

oh yeah, and
get rid of ActiveX, JScript, VBScript, and HTA's etc. I'm tired of doing Tech Support on boxes hosed from Virii and Malware.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Kewl. :).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Didn't get a chance to look at this anyone can help how to download the same
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
It's great! But where I can download it?
Who know url to download? Email to me : huytd_ktv08@yahoo.com .
As soon as good!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
First! I'm VietNamese and I'm sorry about my English!
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It's great! But where I can download it?
Who know url to download? Email to me : huytd_ktv08@yahoo.com .
As soon as good!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
sign me up for ie7 beta
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"...but go to "quirks mode" to revert to your proprietary rendering."

... when no DOCTYPE is present.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am download for internet explorer7.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I just want native SVG support.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Would be nice to support css1 and css2 correctly...
Including alternate stylesheets for example.

(CSS3 would be too much of a demand)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hi
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i like to download the newer version of msn
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
<< I think all the people here going on about how it would be nice for IE to fully support css etc and then ranting on about how good FF is could do with not being so quick to judge. Sometimes the most basic css doesn't work in FF and does in IE. >>

Mmm... try a simple CSS' :hover effect on a DIV, on Internet Explorer this doesn't work at all and you need JavaScript. Stick with Firefox (or Netscape 8).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
P.S.
... a :hover effect that changes the background color (for example)...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Another vote for standards compliance... hey, why not make an office app with all the active x type stuff and then have a separate standards compliant web browser?
Terry
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I read that Bill Gates said that IE 7 will prevent phishing by stopping URL redirects. Does anyone know more about this? I'm concerned that this is going to break the legitimate and very common use of redirects all across the Internet. Does anyone have more details on this?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I welcome IE7 with improved security, alpha png support, etc. I'd also like to see it retain its current dhtml rendering speed. For my animated dhtml content IE is very fast and reliable. Firefox is extremely slow at rendering dhtml (see mozilla bug 234233).

So if IE7 could keep its speed and all the new features being promoted, it will be in a good position to 'take the web back, again'.

Brent.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
hhey
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Bill you rock
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
--I'm concerned that this is going to break the legitimate and very common use of redirects all across the Internet.

Fear not, we're not going to break the internet. ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.
hardly...
there's some of us that actually like a browser that "works"...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will this new IE support the stuff that other pathetic browsers "supposedly" have, like PNg file loading? Just curious.
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As long as Microsoft listens to the developers and standards organisations of the world first, and not their business partners. Websites will be better built for all of the peoples of the world. Its so sad that money talks louder then wisdom.

PS. Please don't forget the users of your other operating systems. echo
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.

Starting from 2003, who had the worst damage thanks to spyware, malware and ActiveX bugs?

Not Firefox & Mozilla users. They're still smiling and living a happy life.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No amount of updating will move me back from my web browser, Firefox. It works on all platforms, including my Linux, renders perfectly and has full support of web standards. What more do I want? Oh yes - Firfox is also free, open source and a friendly commmunity. Point made
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
i like this browser and i want to download it now.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
no Comments.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No amount of updating will move me back from my web browser, Firefox. It works on all platforms, including my Linux, renders perfectly and has full support of web standards. What more do I want? Oh yes - Firfox is also free, open source and a friendly commmunity. Point made

AMEN!!!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I wonder why noone answers the comments...
I guess it is because there will be no developement in standards compatibility...
And if this is true, IE will never be as good as the alternative browsers -> IE is dead.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
-> IE is dead.
That bore repeating.
noone answers the comments, because noone here is shelling out the $$ to have what they want fixed (like standards compliance) so noone is listening. "Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners." you folks don't count in that.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that not one single thing that you're asking for here will be added. Just another slap patch... another marketing sham

Shouldn't you just call it IE 6.1?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
MNG support, please
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Top of my list are
- SVG support (I was going to add "or other vector graphics support" but, at this point, with Firefox 1.1 about to support it, it has to be SVG)
- Security
- Standards compliance
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No one answers commebts on MS antispyware beta either. Why issue a betta without a place to report sucess, failure, or suggestions?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
For those like snuffkin and NN Thayer who ardently refuse to support W3C Web Standards, you have my utmost pity.

N.N. Thayer wrote @@In my opinion, IE has delivered more new Web technologies with each successive release than Firefox could even dream of doing. And by "technologies," I do not refer to such trivial things as tabbed browsing or transparent-PNG-blah-blah. I am referring to under-the-hood capabilities that facilitate websites of amazing sophistication, such as what you will find in companies that use .NET-based Web applications. IE and .NET are so far ahead of Firefox and the OSS community, so off in an advanced league of their own, showing what they can really do, that they have made me an adherent. Firefox kludges along, always playing catchup (except with a few highly visible things like tabbed browsing that most users simply do not give two s***s about), with its advocates wallowing in a false sense of security brought on by obscurity (and NOTHING MORE). I have no respect for Firefox or its sorry excuse for a development "process."@@

And I have no respect for you and your ignorance. You have clearly not heard of PHP, Perl, Cold Fusion etc. They allow you to do far more then possable with lumbering closed-source untrustworthy applications built on .NET and IE. How can you trust a company that won't show you what it put into the code, it's like going into a dodgy shop and buying a burger, you just don't know what you are getting. It is a well known fact that MS has given the NSA backdoors to windows PC's.

I do use IE as well but only for sites that need it, those sites that refuse to load because I choose to use firefox. I don't use IE for mainstream browsing because it is slow and unstable. The best way for microsoft to sort it's IE problem is to dump the currant IE code and start over.
use the Gecko widget from firefox to render the pages providing full support for the relevent w3c standards that everyone else supports. Add the useful features for pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing search-bar etc and bolt on the required propriatary systems like activeX and .net support. This gives you the best of both worlds. A firefox-like browser based on stable secure open standards with support for .net apps and other microsoft stuff. If it is done right then the browser will be lighter and more efficient, that will definatly give us firefox users something to think about.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I want to browse with IE (I feel IE as homely) but now using Firebox because IE is lacking some useful features. We need lots of useful features as in Opera. For example: tabbed browsing, handy tools etc.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
So, you say there will be Betas... where do people sign up to get one and provide feedback?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I use opera but I'd like to test this software...
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January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'd like to see IE become a decent browser...

I'm not expecting a browser of "Opera-quality" but just something which would render homepages as they should be rendered.

And get rid of the pop-up stopper notice! A pop-up blocker is used to block pop-ups INCLUDING annoying/non-sense notices.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Sverri, there's an option in the popup blocker setting that controls showing the Information Bar (aka goldbar). It's on by default, but you can turn off showing the goldbar easily enough.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Web developers scream: STANDARDS! Start with CSS, please. <br><br>(Or we will keep recommending other browsers that make our developer life easier, and believe when I say my customers listen to me).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
lo necesito para probarlo
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Semantic Frenzy » Rumours about IE7
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Good news. Competition will keep all camps up and running.

I switched to Firefox a while back due to its feature set. If you want to get FF customers back, please comply with open standards, put in a rich plug-in architecture, and add in an option for tabbed browsing. Working on security is great, but don't forget to bring your feature set and standards compliance up to par, or there will be no reason for us to switch back.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
anything about tabbed browsing?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
good
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
0
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
DAVE MASSEY:

Add download manager.
Skin support.
Capability to add plug-ins to the browser.
RSS Feeds!
Better support for CSS1-2-3!
PNG Support
ABBR Support!
Tabbed Browsing!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Once again I'm working late fixing web site problems only present in IE. There are entire sites devoted to helping developers make IE work more like a standards-compliant browser.

It's a shame that Microsoft's potential to advance the Web is wasted on greed. Please embrace standards for everyone's benefit. Please fix your CSS engine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
As I read through all the articles spawned by the IE7 announcement (press release), I finally realized something: IE6 is the new Netscape 4.7x. We all woke up one day, and IE6 had suddenly become the browser that is...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
No Windows 2000 support?

Listen guys, you forced us to have IE as part of your OS, with no native option to remove it. Aren't you supposed to be offering extended support for Windows 2000 until 2010?

A web browser that can't render pages on the web isn't worth having at all. Support it or remove it.

I vote for the option to remove the IE engine completely in the upcoming Windows 2000 Service Pack 5/Roll-up.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am eagerly waiting for ie7 but I am also afraid that I will have to spend the next few months downloading and installing security patches.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
good
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
A Designer???s Mind » Make way for IE7, or not…
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Why Yahoo!'s position on Firefox, Microsoft's announcement of IE 7, and "Tiger" could spell trouble for Firefox.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
This past month there has been a lot of chatter in the community about Microsoft being forced into releasing version 7 of Internet Explorer (IE7) well before its planned launch of 2006 due to increasing pressure from Mozilla's ever increasingly
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hi Friends, I got so excited about the new Google Toolbar for IE on Windows, that I for got to add the real exciting news for the Windows community... Internet Explorer 7 is coming out in beta this summer. Bill...
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I'm sure a lot of people are looking forward to the release of IE7, mainly because of a large number of features that have been lacking from IE, such as the ability to use tabs when browsing instead of having...
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January 01, 2003
<p>Neowin report that the next version of the <a href="http://toolbar.msn.com/" class="bb-url" target="_blank">MSN Toolbar</a> will <a href="http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=28026&#038;category=main" class="bb-url" target="_blank">feature an implemen
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January 01, 2003
Today, in his keynote for the 2005 RSA conference, Bill Gates announced, among other things, that Microsoft would be releasing a new version of Internet Explorer (IE7) for the XP SP2 platform.
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January 01, 2003
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January 01, 2003
Microsoft announced back in February plans to release Internet Explorer 7 as soon as this summer. From the language given, it sounds as if the development of the new browser specifically targets Windows XP SP2. No mention is given as...
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January 01, 2003
Scott wraps-up Gnomedex 5.0 by discussing Microsoft's RSS support, Adam Curry's BitTorrent support, and Dave Winer's OPML Editor.
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Scott wraps-up Gnomedex 5.0 by discussing Microsoft's RSS support in depth, with a little bit on Adam Curry's BitTorrent support, and Dave Winer's OPML Editor.
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Scott wraps-up Gnomedex 5.0 by discussing Microsoft's RSS support in depth, with a little bit on Adam Curry's BitTorrent support, and Dave Winer's OPML Editor.
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Scott wraps-up Gnomedex 5.0 by discussing Microsoft's RSS support in depth, with a little bit on Adam Curry's BitTorrent support, and Dave Winer's OPML Editor.
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January 01, 2003
Today, in his keynote for the 2005 RSA conference, Bill Gates announced, among other things, that Microsoft would be releasing a new version of Internet Explorer (IE7) for the XP SP2 platform.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ok it's summer. Where is Internet Explorer 7? It was supposed to be in beta by summer....
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January 01, 2003
Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed “Longhorn”) and IE7
for Windows XP are now...
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January 01, 2003
Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed “Longhorn”) and IE7
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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Beta versions of both Windows Vista (formerly codenamed &ldquo;Longhorn&rdquo;) and IE7 for Windows XP...
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January 01, 2003
Kind of slipped in along with the whole announcement about Windows Vista and the beta release, was news of Internet Explorer 7 and its own beta release. Now, IE6 was the most advanced browser available when it came out in...
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January 01, 2003
Microsoft reversed their position today, and announced that there will be another stand-alone version of Internet Explorer, to be released independently from the next version of Windows. This is generally good news, but web developers shouldn't get too excited just yet. So far, the only things that Microsoft has talked about changing in IE7 are some security bug fixes and possibly adding some end-user features such as tabs. Conspiciously missing from the official pronouncements are any mention of bug fixes and standards compliance for the rendering engine, the very things which give web developers headaches and ulsers.
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