Please test your sites with IE7

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01/31/2006

The information published in this post is now out-of-date and one or more links are invalid.

—IEBlog Editor, 22 August 2012

I’m very excited we’ve released a public preview of beta2 that everyone can download. I’m also very happy that we’ve opened up a couple of different avenues to take your feedback. As Dean mentioned, there is a great checklist for site developers on the IE7 preview site; I wanted to call out a specific item on that list.

Markus posted a while ago about the demise of CSS hacks in IE. We heard your feedback in the comments to that post, and we’ve put out a public preview release of IE7. I’d like to reiterate the call to action – if you are a web developer, please check your usage of CSS hacks. In addition to all the improvements in our CSS standard support that I talked about in July, and the other stuff I mentioned at the PDC, the IE layout team – developers, testers and program management – has done some amazing work since my last update and fixed the core of our CSS box model overflow problem (this means content overflow does not need to cause boxes to grow in size). We’re still refining our solution, but this means, for example, that simultaneously 1) the Holly hack won’t work properly anymore, and 2) it probably won’t be applied, because as we said before, the Star-HTML hack is gone.

It’s a difficult challenge to keep compatibility with sites and apps but break compatibility for standards compliance, and we would appreciate you checking your sites and making necessary changes where you’ve hacked in non-standard stuff for IE in the past. We would particularly like detailed feedback on the work we’re doing in this area.

We’re all very excited to start releasing. We’re going to try to restrain ourselves from posting dozens of blog posts today, and stop at three. :-)

- Chris Wilson

Update: We now have a MSDN article that walks you through CSS compatibility issues: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/cols/dnexpie/ie7_css_compat.asp

Comments

Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Great news, and congratulations on getting through the door what must have been a very significant amount of refactoring work in CSS compliance areas alone.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Great work! I've installed IE 7 on 2 Windows XP machines and the install went without a hitch.

It takes a bit to find the locations of icons and new features, but all in all it looks great and so far, works great!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PingBack from http://www.matthewgifford.com/2006/01/31/ie7-public-beta/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Will installing IE7 overwrite IE 6, 5.5, and 5.1 on my machine?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When will be released some version for Windows Server 2003?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Small typo on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/devwebchecklist.mspx

4th item, part d: "Do not mix HTTP content into an HTTP page" ... should be HTTPS.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
DaveP,

Yes, this replaces IE6 on your XP SP2 system.

Fabio,

We will have a beta coming up which will support all of our shipped platforms. The preview is only for x86 XP SP2.

- Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I found two examples of bugs in IE6 that still don't work in this beta of IE7 (oddly, one of these works in IE5.5)

Both of these can be found at Nathan Smith's Sonspring Design blog.

Multi-Class Bug:
http://host.sonspring.com/multi-class/index.htm

Absolute Positioning Bug:
http://host.sonspring.com/boxes/ (Screenshot of correct rendering: http://host.sonspring.com/boxes/ff_example.gif)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
What kind of example are you setting by putting up a tour design that is broken on all other browsers but IE 6? Disheartening, but good for the competition!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Monumental improvement, but still experiencing [some] problems with margins.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
> So are you guys ever going to offer a standalone version of IE7?

Quoted for Emphasis.
Firefox runs from a 32 MB USB-Stick.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://host.sonspring.com/multi-class/index.htm

seems like such a simple bug to fix. hopefully beta 3.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://asp.net/

http://www.windowsworkflow.net/

http://windowscommunication.net

This sites fails to render.

Another question, is possible disable the Clear Type fonts in IE7 Beta2 ?. Thanks
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If I try to visit the windows update site, the new browser crashes.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
If ClearType on by default bothers you, you should try 1) tuning it with the tool at http://www.microsoft.com/typography, and if that doesn't help, 2) disable it in IE (Internet Tools...Advanced...under Multimedia, uncheck "Use ClearType".

-Chris Wilson [MS]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I can't get my RSS subsscriptions to import.

Otherwise, it runs well, albeit the UI is a bit confusing at first.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Too bad it replaces IE6 - I don't have spare Windows installation to break, so I won't be able to test it. However:

If overflow is fixed (grrreat!) does IE7 have support for min-width/min-height then?

Is hasLayout bug still triggered in same ways?

Do hasLayout objects still clip their absolutely positioned children?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PingBack from http://www.theinflux.com/2006/01/31/ie7-beta-2/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
There seem to be some rendering issues in Community Server admin pages.

Love the RSS support, as well as the tabbing. My first impressions are good.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
SP2 won't work on my computer (makes turquoise lines all over the screen) so I won't be able to test my site. I'd be happe if someone here could report how it looks:

http://davidnaylor.org/blog/

It's made for Firefox with transparent pings and advanced CSS galore, so if IE7 knows its stuff it should look fine.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Windows Update, work for me.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Please disable clear-type by default on CRTs, what a nightmare that will be if you ship it turned on!

Makes me feel like I'm going blind, I can only imagine what the more senior staff would say!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Fantastic! Installation ocurred flawlessly.

I already notified many realtors in Costa Rica and the U.S. about the availability of this beta version and encouraged them to test their Web sites.

Congratulations to the IE team.

Pura vida!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is there a way to keep the text from appearing huge? I tried disabling cleartype but everything is huge.

Other than that it looks very impressive. Reminds me of AOL explorer.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I am wondering if the development of the tabs feature is completed to a point where there is no way to implement any other features that has to deal with tabs. The reason I'm asking is I would and I believe many others, would love to see a feature which allows you to group a bunch of favorites together into a folder. From there, have that folder located on your "Links" toolbar and that we would be able to right click or middle click on the "folder" and just have it open up in a group of tabs, very similar to FireFox.

Is this something that can be implemented or brought up to the developers? I'd truly appreciate it.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
The installation worked without a hitch. I like and appreciate many of the new features. That said, I don't care for the new interface. I am seeing some major useability problems here. The new interface is confusing at best. Do you guys even follow your own GUI standards?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I think there may be an issue with OWA for exchange 2003 and the S/MIME control. I can not open a new message to send and when I try to reply to a message or forward a message I get the same issue. What happens is the page opens like it should, but it never completely loads and finally comes back and says: !An unknown error happened.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
One thing I noticed in the search engine additions...A9 is missing. Can we get A9 integration?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Is there any way to turn off the address bar on a window? Our current application opens up a pop-up with no navigation controls, etc. to save screen real estate. The new "always on" address bar is eating into that. I'm not asking for a way to turn it off remotely, I'm asking if there's an option in the advanced features to turn it off.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I've installed the IE7 Beta 2 Preview with no problems on my Windows XP Home Edition SP2 machine. I'm curious as to how you'll handle updating the browser for IE7 Beta 2's actual release and then final release. Will it simply be a case of installing the package over the previous version?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PingBack from http://gigold.de/archiv/2006/01/31/ie-7-beta-2-preview/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I haven't downloaded the beta yet (will be doing so in the short future), but I do want to mention one BIG usability flaw in the design that I can see simply from the screenshots...

The New Tab button should really be on the left. I guarantee someone will accidentally hit Close Tab when they mean to hit New Tab (which is the usability problem with putting New Tab on the far right of the bar; the last tab's Close Button is always right up against it).
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Dark Phoenix,

The button to close a tab is on the tab, itself. You shouldn't have the problem that one has in, say, Firefox, where the close tab and close window button are next to each other.

- Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
http://forums.asp.net/default.aspx?GroupID=34

the menu doesnt render horizontally.. IE7 bug considering this is a microsoft website ;-)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
"I am wondering if the development of the tabs feature is completed to a point where there is no way to implement any other features that has to deal with tabs. The reason I'm asking is I would and I believe many others, would love to see a feature which allows you to group a bunch of favorites together into a folder. From there, have that folder located on your "Links" toolbar and that we would be able to right click or middle click on the "folder" and just have it open up in a group of tabs, very similar to FireFox."

It's already there. Open the array of tabs you wish to save together. Press the + icon to the left of the tabs. Choose "Add Tab Group to Favorites". To open that array of tabs, locate the folder you just created in your favorites and press the green -> icon that will appear to its right. Viola!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
(Let me know if I should report this problem elsewhere! Thanks!)

IE7 beta 2 doesn't seem to correctly render transparent (alpha-channeled) PNG images which are used in layers (floating DIV's) on a page.

It renders the alpha channel portions incorrectly. For example, a soft alpha-channel drop shadow becomes completely solid black.

To see this in action: 1) Visit http://www.cabel.name. 2) Click "Previous Entries" on the top right corner of the page.

The pop-up window will have a solid black shadow instead of a soft one.

Thanks so much for investigating!
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
what's the deal with the ftp client? is it just missing because this is a beta or will it be missing from ie7? its the only reason i ever use ie, except for the occassional ie only site. and yes, i have the option in advanced options checked to do explorer style folder view for ftp.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I understand that is already there.

I guess I was not clear enough. You know how you have a "Links" toolbar? I'm not sure if you utilize it, but I know a lot of people who do. I have many links and instead of limiting myself to just those links, I added folders to the Links toolbar with links inside the folders. In FireFox, these are treated as links, you can middle click on the "folder" located on the "Links" toolbar and it will open the group in tabs. Instead with IE7, I have to open up or dock the Favorites section and then search for the folder in the "Links" folder and then click on the green button.

What I am requesting is that the way the folders located inside or on the "Links" toolbar, are to be treated just like links themselves in that if you click on the folder which is located on your "Links" toolbar it will open the group in tabs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Hey...
It dosent really work with credential manager like the old one did. Hope you fix it soon.

Moestrup
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
When selecting a group of tabs to open from the favorites pane, they are added to the already open tab. This is the intended use, I'm sure, but a bit annoying if one wants just the group to open. If it were possible to close ALL tabs (right now you have to have one open at all times), one could have the browser open like this by default and then open an array of tabs from the favorites pane without having to close the already open tab afterwards.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ok, I installed it ... it's nice, you've fixed some bugs ... great.

However, don't you think it's a little dumb that your BETA overwrites the latest stable release?

I'm a developer, and it's necessary for me to code for compatibility for IE6.x as well as look forward to the future release of IE 7.

Why, oh why haven't you provided the capability of running these two browsers on the same machine?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
as has been said, looking real slick :)

couple quick ones.... noticed right away that alot of links weren't picking up the style/color changes on the a:hover via my stylesheet... only thing that comes to mind is that they're preceeded by div/id, something like:

#topbar a:hover {
background: transparent;
color: #f00;
}

noticed some scripts not working too, such as my hoversmack(), and others while hop'n around online.... example:

the lightbox script:

http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/

worked find under IE6 and IE7 (beta 1), and Firefox/Opera... but not IE7 (beta 2 preview)

pages definitely loading faster (which is awesome), though there seems to be some issues with margins... quick test page and toggle'n between FF v1.5 and IE7B2 saw things shifting for me back-n-forth.

(okay, i shut up now)
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Ahh, you essentially want the group functionality to be accessable from outside the favorites pane (in this case the Links toolbar). That would be a great addition. I'd like to see link groups as shortcuts that could be placed on the dsktop, as a matter of fact. One click from the desktop would open the browser with the proper array of tabs.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yitzchok,

Did I explain it well enough lol? I'm hoping I did as this is something I'm waiting patiently for. What you said is very great too.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 01, 2003
ABJ: To uninstall, you can look under add/remove programs, and make sure the checkbox for "show updates" is selected. Then, under Windows, you'll see IE7. Uninstall should restore to previous state.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
just realized the mouseover popups over at Netflix aren't working for me either :(
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
PingBack from http://kropp.spb.ru/2006/02/internet-explorer-70-beta-2.html
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Benji: IE7 team worked with A9 to make sure IE7 works with A9 OpenSearch. You should be able to add just about any provider from A9.com simply by clicking on the search description file.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
really? couple people emailed me to say that it was no longer working... tried it out myself and it simply redirects me to the image i'm linking to in the "href" on the two i added to my lastest post about IE7... even though there's a "return false" on the onclick trigger for the links.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.... build 5296 here, right?
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
Yes, build 5296 .. just downloaded it an hour ago.

I'm actually implementing Lightbox in a site I'm working on ... was one of the first things I checked. ;)

This is purley a "proof of concept" that I threw up for the client to decide if they like it ... the colors I've chosen were demonstrations to show what could easily be changed, so don't tease me about how it works... if it even works for you.

http://198.64.151.111/lightbox/
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
I work all day long applications of my own design. They support websites I inherited. I've updated them over time, but not been able to convert to CSS, though some of the applications I've built do use CSS.

I am excited to learn that my applications aren't slow, but that IE6 was slow. (Due to some glaring omissions, like the inability to find text inside form elements, I've never been able to use other browsers.) On the other hand, I'm dismayed at how much time I've collectively wasted, considering how much faster IE7 is than IE6 ever was.
Anonymous
January 01, 2003
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
I found a couple of bugs; how do I report them?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
It seems to work better than IE6, but there are still some CSS2 properties that need to be implemented. One in my mind is <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#propdef-content">content</a>, along with <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#x2">:before</a>, which would be useful for people marking up scripts, or adding images next to selected links or the like.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Anonymous Coward,

See the blog post on Feedback from earlier today: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/01/31/520817.aspx

- Al Billings [MSFT]
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
MSFT devs,

I'm wondering if you've read my comments at all and if it is something you guys will take into consideration OR if it is too late in the development cycle to implement such features.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Some thoughts:

1. I don't like the refresh button to the right of the address bar. It's much better where it always was next to the fwd and back buttons.

2. The "Stop" button now looks like a "Close something" button ... you're kindof breaking some UI conventions there.

3. If I create a new tab, then select another tab it opens to about:blank. Then, if I click on another tab, then back to the new tab, and position my cursor in the address field, it doesn't auto-select the text in there. Also, CTRL+A doesn't select all in the address bar either, I need to manually paint it, or use my backspace or delete to clear the field.

4. I do like how you've liberated some space from the toolbar/menubar area and freed up screen real estate.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Washington Mutual does not work with Windows Internet Explorer 7
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Hmmm ... I don't think you should consider releasing ANYTHING until you render the Acid2 test a little better than this.

http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html

That's just sad.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Getting there. Some UI changes needed. I think the RSS is a little confusing, I would rather it list my feeds like FF bookmarks then list the articles when mouse hovered.

Also, CSS is still a problem, alot of work still to be done. Basically, i would like to build a site using CSS and it will work in IE7 as good as FF or Opera.

Just please hurry, ie6 is a nightmare!!!
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
PingBack from http://www.thisstrangeengine.com/webblah/2006/01/31/ie7-beta-2/
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
My site renders fine, which is good.

But I need to be able to run IE6 for general use. Please provide a way to switch back and forth, or at least a way to uninstall the IE7 beta.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Still bad/buggy/bizzare CSS support. Why not standard compliant? When are you going to learn?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
does anybody know what the deal is with the ftp client missing? is it just because this is a beta, so they decided to compile it without it, or is the ftp client gone for good?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Hey there my site works great love the fact that you added RSS viewer to it :-).
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Will the phishing filter feedback/report change?. putting it inside the IE window and using website kinda worry me. I know that you have to click the yellow warning to get the phishing report and check yellow lock thing but are there any posibility that malicous people can create a look a like site and trick people into believing that it's a IE phishing report.hmm possible inexperienc usere or early adopter user of IE 7.0 will make a mistake.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
http://fredfred.net/skriker/
and try to add comment on any post. Do you see? Width of textarea is changed when it gets focus.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Does IE Beta2 support this?
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
MSFT Devs,

ONE more thing. Would it be possible for users to re-arrange favorites that are in folders which are placed on the "Links" toolbar in any order they wanted to instead of having it go by alpha order?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
When typing URLs in address bar, if I jump to another tab it forgets what I was typing in the address bar of the first tab. Anyone else get this? Tis a bit annoying.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Well, still no support for addEventListener(). Can't say I'm surprised, as I've seen the question asked more than a dozen times on this blog, and it's been completely ignored every time.

Can somebody please say whether support for this part of the spec is planned for inclusion and just hasn't been implemented yet, or if this is just going to be ignored as it has been so far?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
@Rosyna-- This is behaving as expected, although I can see that the message is potentially ambiguous. For security purposes, IE7 does not permit mixing Latin and Japanese characters within a single label. We describe this in detail here: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/12/19/505564.aspx
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Eric, that doesn't really make much sense (for Japanese) as roman and Japanese text is mixed all the time in Japan. It's one of those "marketing" things. Also, the roman script and Japanese are not ambiguous. You can't use one to spoof the other.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
@Rosyna: "the roman script and Japanese are not ambiguous. You can't use one to spoof the other."

Unfortunately, there are actually a fair number of Roman/Japanese confusables.

0x30A8, 0xe05, 0x4e85, and a list of others are all potentially ambiguous.

While it would technically be easier to permit potentially confusing combinations, it is important to us that the IDN experience in IE is secure and not a new treasure trove of spoofing attacks for the bad guys.

As you noted, IE7 will still navigate to the site (no harm in that) but simply does not render the potentially confusable string (to prevent spoofing).

Thanks for the feedback.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
PingBack from http://ckunte.com/archives/2006/02/01/in-ie7-beta2/
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Eric

<blockquote>
0x30A8, 0xe05, 0x4e85, and a list of others are all potentially ambiguous.
</blockquote>

In which encoding?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
There is a bug in IE6 still in IE7 with regards sizing boxes.
Take this example:
A div, 'div1', with the style "left: 200px; right: 200px;" has another div, 'div2', in it with "width: 100%". This stretches 'div1' to 100% the window size, when it should be the width of the browser -200px on the left and -200px on the right.

This is close to how my website-in-development is set up, and it is really a nuisance, as I can't find any way whatsoever to fix it.
http://www.d2kstudios.com/index.php
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
I see the whiners are out in force. Awesome job on IE7. Much new stuff to get used to, all of it looks good.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
米MicrosoftがIE 7ベータ2の一般提供を開始，「CSS対応機能の実装を...
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
I'm also having trouble with Outlook Web Access. When I try to compose a new message, the window pops up properly and begins to load but eventually fails.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Dao G

You might start by using valid CSS first before you complain about CSS rendering problems.

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playable.de%2F
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
<style type="text/css" media="all">
input[type=text] {
background-color:pink;
}
input[name=funny] {
padding:15px;
}
input:focus {
background-color:red;
}
</style>
<input type="text" name="funny" />

Strangely, the input will show up with the 15px padding but NOT with the pink background. For some reason the attribute of "type" is not properly recognized in a selector. Aditionally, the pseudo-class of :focus does not do anything.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
@Mystere

I use valid CSS 2.1 (except for opacity and filter).
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
In celebration of the release of Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview, I have created a Web page with screenshots of most popular browsers since 1993.

From NCSA Mosaic (pura vida Chris Wilson!), to Netscape, to IE, to AOL, it's pretty cool to see the evolution on the interfaces.

The page is at http://www.krsaborio.net/research/internet/browsers.htm
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Great program. IEROCKS!!!

Except it doesnt work for my site. :-(

My menu goes all corrupt on the left, it is all done with css. The funny thing is that it cuts out the second half of all menu items, even the text.

It works fine on IE6,FF,Opera!!

Any thoughts?
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
Does IE7 support "!important"? I tested a couple of sites and it seems to me that it doesn't.
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
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Anonymous
January 31, 2006
How are ⼅and エ spoofable? Especially when the roman characters 0x0049 (I) and 0x006C (l) are even more spoofable? 0xe05 (ฅ) isn't a Japanese Character.

Also, the info bar suggests it can be fixed by adding Japanese to the language list, when it cannot (as far as I can see). So yes, it is ambiguous and wrong. The problem then becomes when people go to legitimate sites and get that error. 月 itself is not easily confused with any roman character that I know of.

Safari, for example, has a list of Languages that have no characters that can easily be confused with each other.

Arabic
Armenian
Bopomofo
Canadian_Aboriginal
Devanagari
Deseret
Gujarati
Gurmukhi
Hangul
Han
Hebrew
Hiragana
Katakana_Or_Hiragana
Katakana
Latin
Tamil
Thai
Yi
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
You can download multiple IE versions here (they are standalone :-) )
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
PingBack from http://www.thinklemon.com/weblog/2006/02/01/internet-explorer-7-beta-2-preview-available/
Anonymous
January 31, 2006
It would have been FAR more useful if you'd released a standalone beta, Not very forward thinking!

There are standalone hacked versions of older IE out there for the finding - google for em and they'll turn up on the first page of results. These aren't a perfect solution at all, but they're better than nothing...
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
a:hover stuff seems broken when preceeded by div/id as per the above poster's findings.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
> This is a BETA, its not the final release,

Yes, this is a beta, but as it is especially addressed to web developers, it should somehow show what can be expected in the final version.

> I'm sure all most of the glitches and bugs are on a list of things to be ironed about in the future.

But it's also said "Please send us your feedback on the IE7 Beta 2 Preview". So this is what the "nay-sayers" are doing.

> They still have a lot of time left before the planned release date

What do you mean by "a lot"? As I see it, it's dang few time to teach IE7 proper CSS (or more proper, as there's progress at least).

> so don't start slating the team just because they haven't solved 'your' paticular issue.

Again, don't mistake slating for reporting.
And I'm glad you quoted "your". Of course these are issues of us, our visitors and the IE team.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Wierd stuf with my news comments in IE7 b2. In IE6 it works fine (except there is the "gilliotine bug"). In every other browser it works fine. In IE7 the comments flows under the page wich ends long before the comments do.

Example:
http://www.ffuniverse.nu/news.aspx?id=1208#comment
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
http://www.pokemonfanuniverse.com/

The page is rendered on my Dell 2405FPW as if the scroll bar is not there. It should be rendered as if the scroll bar was there.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Excellent to see this available ahead of time. I have been looking forward to the RSS functions, and am impressed by how they appear in the interface. The one suggestion I have is to have the new posts for a feed appear below the feed title in the list of feeds. It seems that would be helpful to quickly scan what updates are available rather than going to each site.

Keep up the great work!
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Conditional comments takes the sting out of the worst of the bugs but there are some very strange :hover issues. These seem to be rendering very slowly on a:hover for me.

All in all, this is a step in the right direction for which you deserve kudos but its not exactly the MS saviour I think a lot of us were hoping for after the last blog post detailing the CSS bugs that would be fixed in Beta 2. However, I'm bearing in mind that this is only a Preview :o)
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February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
msn.de is not working!

hehehe
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
There's a problem with padding and absolute positioning.
I briefly documented the problem at http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001718.php#chatty005793
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February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Cecil points out above that in our preview we aren't properly checking pseudo-element error conditions when used in a group selector. This was a condition we happened to miss and have fixed it so this won't be a problem moving forward.

When we first started talking about CSS pseudo-elements, I also made the mistake of using a poor example where-in the pseudo-element could appear anywhere within the selector as long as there was only one. This was a mistake on my part and isn't how we actually handle this.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Would you sue me if I took all the features of IE7 and made my own browser? Of course I qould probably make an inferior rendering engine, but would that be wrong?

That being said, y'all are lucky the Mozilla Foundation is not in the least litigious.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Whew - got around the msfeeds.dll install issue. Had to change permissions using regedit Hkey_Classes_Root/Htafile
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
I've noticed that IE7 does not render padding and margin correctly. All of my sites work perfectly in IE6 and all the Gecko based browsers ie. Firefox, Safari etc...

Is it really all that hard to go the extra mile and support web standards like Firefox. I mean come on you've already incorporated the use of tabs!

The problem I'm facing is that the 98% of people that are using IE6 will be forced to upgrade to this inferior browser once released and included in the automatic windows updates. Unless the css rendering engine is corrected or at least take it back to the way IE6 renders css.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Andrew Ingram:

The only code you need to add to make the positioning in that example work in IE6/IE7 (without adversely affecting Firefox) is:

html,body{height:100%;}

And IIRC IE is doing nothing wrong in not assuming this automatically - I don't think the HTML specs say that the HTML & BODY elements should stretch to fill the viewport even if they have no flowed content - Firefox merely assumes this. Just different interpretations of something that isn't laid down in the spec.
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February 01, 2006
The escaping floats bug has not been fixed:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/escape-floats.html
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Another bug that was not fixed:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/creep.html
Anonymous
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February 01, 2006
I noticed that ctrl + scrolling my mouse wheel changes the zoom level rather than the text size (the behavior in IE6). This is proving a bit problematic as a lot of my layout is based on the 'em' unit of measure, which breaks down when zooming in and out (but still works fine when the text size changes). So my question is: what is the proper way to design a layout that adjusts well for both changes in zoom as well as changes in text size?
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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February 01, 2006
Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview does not render PNGs correctly:

http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/alphagamma/

Apparently no browser does (although the ones that do, render things better than the public preview). Why not make Internet Explorer the first?
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
A redraw issue in this build of IE7.

Go to http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/escape-floats.html

and hit Page Down to scroll down, then Page Up to get back to the top. No problem.

However, if I hit Page Down, then scroll back up to the top again by dragging the scroll bar back up with the mouse, parts of the black thick border are not redrawn (surrounding the set of "float" boxes).

tested under WinXP at 1024x768.

Cecil Ward.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
It's okay, the only thing I recognized while looking my site: sometimes the pictures (simple <img align="left" /> tags) overlap the text. I used hspace on it, so this seems not work.

Other sites, like msn.de seem to have gone mad ;)
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Webpage scaling seems to work fine now, in beta 2. IIRC it didn't work correctly in beta 1.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
PingBack from http://www.nousab.org/index.php/internet-explorer-7-beta-2
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
If you are worried about IE7 messing up your installs, you should consider installing a copy of Windows inside Virtual PC and running IE7 inside a sandbox there. Sandboxing different OSes and browsers is something VPC has always been very useful for. It may not be your ideal solution, but certainly better than buying a second PC.

VPC is also part of the the MSDN Subscription.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
A suggestion: It would indeed be very helpful if, at some point, someone from MS would consider posting an updated and expanded follow-up to Chris Wilson's "fix list" which featured in http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx

If certain still-outstanding CSS bugs are definitely not going to be fixed, then we can at least make a plan.

Best,

Cecil Ward.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
I just tested it and PageSpy works with IE7 just fine:
http://www.sembel.net/pagespy/i/IE7_and_PageSpy_1.3.5_OK.png">http://www.sembel.net/pagespy/i/IE7_and_PageSpy_1.3.5_OK.png

I use IE inside the program too and it works ok.
BTW today the new version released:
http://www.sembel.net
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
@Mario

Your changed behavior most likely will be due to our overflow fix. this also is the reason for the MSN.de rendering problems. MSN.de is informed and they are updating their site.

Here is a good doc that walks you through our CSS changes that most likely can cause rendering issues: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/cols/dnexpie/ie7_css_compat.asp

Remember this is a preview release to give sites exactly a chance to evaluate and prepare for IE7.

-- Markus
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February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
@Shining arcane

Beside escape-floats bug (which we will not fix for IE7 since it requires big architectural changes) all other PIE issues should be fixed. Can you please provide some more details where you see things not working?

Especially:

- creeping text, Example 11 of the floatIndent

Thanks
-- Markus
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February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Markus, can we expect support for :before and :after?

And since you implemented the attribute selector, these would be nice, too:

a[rel~=external]
a[href^="http:"]
a[href$=".jpg"]

This may be CSS3, I don't know, but it's handy anyway.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
I would LOVE to test out IE 7, except I really can't give up having IE 6 to test with.

Please, please, please distribute a stand-alone version. Or, at least, instructions on how to get IE 7 to run alongside IE 6. Otherwise, you will be losing a large share of potential beta testers and valuable feedback.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
quick request (i havent installed the beta as i have dev. work to do):

support for pseudo-classes on non-anchor tags, for example

div {background-color:#fff;}
div:hover {background-color:#ffc;}

could you squeeze that in if its not there yet?
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Additionally,

8. The ‘dotted’ style only seems to work when all borders are either dotted or not showing. E.g. the level-2 heading (‘Web log’) doesn’t have a dotted underline, even though it should. It’s using border-bottom: 1px dotted #888; in combination with border-left: 4px solid #AAA;, and if I remove the latter it becomes dotted.

9. General performance of my website is a bit on the low side, it hogs while scrolling.

10. The date that is shown in the heading of each post has no spacing on the right, even though it has a padding-right: .3em; style on it (it’s absolutely positioned using right: 0;).

~Grauw

p.s. Lauren: that’s working already.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
@Alastair

Are you happy with firefox? What do you doing here? :))

I tried your firefox and is NOT the better browser. An alternative would be Opera and NOT firefox.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
So far, IE 7 looks like an improvement to IE 6, I'm happy to see the position: fixed is working. Also, glad the memory leakage seems to not be as killer as it was in 6. However, I'm still seeing some memory leakage. Sure, hope this all gets fixed, IE and Firefox both. Opera so far seems to be the best browser for memory consumption. Haven't profiled Safari yet.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
> Are you happy with firefox? What do you doing here? :))

Could you please take a close look at the topic?

> I tried your firefox and is NOT the better browser. An alternative would be Opera and NOT firefox.

What a valuable reasoning.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
I don't want to overwrite IE6 so tested on the BrowserCam installation.

Most sites fared OK but the CSS horizontal rollover/dropdown navigation on www.prodigytek.com is totally fubared. It took hours of hair-pulling to get it to validate and work cross-browser in the first place. I can't bear the thought of having to take this back to the drawing board.

For those who haven't yet installed (or uninstalled), here's what the screen capture looks like - http://www.eartherdesigns.com/sitepoint/tek_IE7.jpg Now that's a real mess!

I'm not going to spend time trying to fix it at the moment. I'm hoping that changes will be made on your end so the glitch goes away on its own.

Right now, I'm not a happy camper. :(
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
> a[rel~=external]
> a[href^="http:"]
> a[href$=".jpg"]

> This may be CSS3, I don't know, but it's handy anyway.

When I ran these through the tests, they appear to work perfectly. Also, IE7 gets ~ (CSS3 indirect adjacent sibling selector).

As mentioned though, :focus, :active and :lang() don't work right, and I noticed some odd issues with absolute positioning using the left property (right works perfectly). I thought it might have been because of my incorrect conditional commens ([if IE], which I change to [if lte IE 6]), but the problem didn't go away. Unless IE7 is getting conditional comments it shouldn't, I think it might be a positioning bug.
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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February 01, 2006
"unobtrusive", doh!
Anonymous
February 01, 2006
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February 01, 2006
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Anonymous
February 01, 2006
Thanks for your efforts. I have a request. Since you've now fixed the float-issues, it is essential that you implement the :after pseudo-class. Otherwise it makes it really problematic to make proper div-based column-design, because you no longer can clear the float. It wasn't a problem in IE6 because of the bugs with floats - now it is a HUGE problem.

I've attached an example. You can check it in Safari, Camino, Firefox, Opera etc. to see how the :after class makes things work.

http://aarfing.dk/stuff/ie7/

Please, consider this issue.
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
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Anonymous
February 02, 2006
Bug report - CSS and rendering issue,

see http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical13.htm

The vertical gaps between the "buttons" shouldn't be there, if judged according to the rendering shown in IE6, and Opera 9.0beta and Firefox 1.5.

(Tested under WinXP.)

Regards,

Cecil Ward.
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
> Since you've now fixed the float-issues, it is essential that you implement the :after pseudo-class. Otherwise it makes it really problematic to make proper div-based column-design, because you no longer can clear the float.

Actually #container { height: auto; overflow: hidden; } is the proper way to solve this. But that neither works in IE7, I think.

Nontheless, I think :after and :before are essential, too. I'm still waiting for a statement -- will they be implemented or not?
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
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Anonymous
February 02, 2006
Rendering bugs:
http://di.fm (Digitally Imported Radio)

IE Crashes when any NetScaler 9000 configuration page is viewed, which is a Java applet. I can go to sun's java site and confirm that I have java installed, but whenever I look at NS config applet, the browser dies with "abnormal termination."
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
a public preview of IE7 beta2 that everyone can download [via; see also]...
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Anonymous
February 02, 2006
Transparent PNGs still don't work - with the background appearing as green instead of... well... transparent. For an example, see my site (the small icons next to the Categories and Published Date are transparent PNGs)
Anonymous
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Anonymous
February 02, 2006
Hi,
I found this page: http://www.routerlinux.com
there is a serious problem with the scrolling.
I think, it is something with the CSS rendering.
It's just fine in IE6, although the menu should stay at the top of the page (like in FF).

And there is something wrong with refressing wysiwyg editors while editing the text, especiali after paste or backspace (like one at hotmail).

Is there any hope, that favourites/history/feeds will have some filter/serch input? I also hope for some option that make IE remember the positon and status of the threes after restart. And a drag&drop like reordering tabs feature. And an option for automatize Restor Last Tab Group. And a minimize to systray feature :)
These are the things that prevent me to make IE7 the default browser. All the other changes are great, and I like this new look very mutch.

Maybe you should do some more propaganda for Add-ons (like mozilla done for the extensions) and my hopes may easily fulfill :)
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
oh, I almost forgot.
I also hope for a feature (option) which bring the focus to the last viewed tab after a tabclose. And when there is only one tab left, there should be a close button which replace the tab with a blank one.
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
Regarding my earlier statement concerning example 11, I reported it at Mozillazine and they told me that Firefox and Opera are rendering it differently than IE7 is rendering it because of "<div style="clear: both;"></div>" so on second thought this probably is a bug in IE7. You can see the latest on the conversation here:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2061885
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
I'm sorry; I'd love to test my site in IE7, but I can't afford $200 to pay for a Windows license to try it on. If you'd like to release the source for a standalone version that runs on Gtk+2 I'd be happy to try it on <a href="http://openbsd.org">my OS</a>.
Anonymous
February 02, 2006
A correction to my earlier post. I wrote:

> When saved locally, the page then rendered as expected. Very strange.

I had used the tool TopStyle 3 to download analyse and re-save the page. TopStyle adds an HTML comment at the top of the document, which forces IE7 into quirksmode presumably. So mystery solved.

But that rendering is still odd.

Cecil Ward.
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
someone mentioned earlier, that MS break their own recommendation for the GUI, with the classic menu.
as I can see from the vista, that recommendation will change, so nothing wrong with that.
btw, I'm happy with that. I like the new GUIs (vista, IE7, O12).
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
Zoltan, the recommendation for Windows XP is not going to change (as I doubt XP Service Pack 3 will give us Windows Vista style windows) so they are breaking their windows user experience design guidelines.

It would be great if they would code things so that the menu bar would be compliant with their own guidelines on Windows XP and like it is now on Windows Vista.
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
After installing the IE7 beta 2 preview, when I open the McAfee security center stays in a blank screen the same thing with My McAfee VirusScan 10.0
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
http://www.php.pl this page doesn`t work in ie7
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
https://sss-web.usps.com/cns/landing.do

US Post Office
when trying to print out shipping lable, it blocks then allow but fail to print lable.
Anonymous
February 03, 2006
http://UPS.com

Doesn't support IE7 for lots of pages

thanks
Anonymous
February 04, 2006
I just want to let you know that I can't run Service Pack 2 on windows XP, period. It doesn't work and there's no apparent solution to it, except to buy new hardware, even though it's already new.

Do MS programs have to be so "conditional" that you can ONLY run certain things on certain versions?

Without being able to test with IE7 I will just have to say I don't support it when designing websites. But I'm not going to support IE6 when IE7 is released either, so I will have to trust IE7 to work as every other browser does.

I'm sick of this stupid "built into windows functionality" IE has. MS has a monopoly on IE and the only reliable way for me to test IE7 would be to buy Vista, which I shouldn't need in the first place.

There shouldn't be any reason why IE7 can't work on Windowx XP SP1.

rediculous.
Anonymous
February 04, 2006
I like IE7, with the following exceptions:
1.The buttons for Favorites Center and Add / Subscribe should be removable.
2.The annoying ClearType font should be turned off by Default.
3.The search bar should be optional. Do not compete with Google.
4.The File, Edit... menus should be on by Default.
Anonymous
February 04, 2006
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Anonymous
February 04, 2006
Standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, standalone version, pleeeeeeeeease!!!
Anonymous
February 04, 2006
I tried a standalone version yesterday but once again was getting multiple windows opening, error messages etc. as I did with Beta1. At least the version automatically deleted the offending registry key.

I surrender. Have it your way. If MS will not provide a standalone version, I won't be helping to test. Neither will I be rewriting code that works perfectly in FF, Opera, Netscape, Safari, Konqueror etc. to accommodate another buggy MS browser.

If there are remaining or new CSS bugs in the final release of IE7, I am considering not supporting it. Those using IE7 would get a message explaining why. If enough designers followed suit, maybe things would change.

Wow! That feels better now that I got that off my chest.
Anonymous
February 05, 2006
Shining Arcanine, all the upcoming ms softwares break that recommendation. o12 will also be available for xp users. even the wmp do not have menu bar, in msn messenger it can be turned off.
I understand that for xp it should be on by default and it sould be appear at the top of the window, but IE7 is for vista, and in vista the navbar and the titlebar are combined with each other and it's part of the "glass" frame. so both functional and design reason it can't be on the top.
Anonymous
February 05, 2006
If the Favorites Center is docked the popup windows will also have that. it can be confusing
and annoying too.

oh, and I give a vote for the standalone version :)
Anonymous
February 05, 2006
The issues affecting input buttons in IE have still not been fixed even though the problem is so weird and has no reason to be there.

This is a test case about what happens to buttons in Internet Explorer: http://rowanw.com/testcases/ie_buttons.htm

Is something being done about this?
Anonymous
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Anonymous
February 07, 2006
I have found very interesting problems that do not occur with IE 6 and Firefox.

We are rendering several database applications through the browser where the browser loads a page for about 20 minutes.

There are loops in there like:
while(Loop through MySQL Array){
Update Database
print $key;
}

1) IE 7 beta breaks up in between without proper warning when this happens. It just times out.

2) Also there is no outputs written to the browser. Those should be written during the several minutes of excecution, dynamically.

3) In a different application generate Images on the fly which takes about 4 seconds because these are rather complicated graphs of energy usage. The image display fails at the first time. this only works when reloading (faster because the image generation software does caching), or when right clicking and selecting 'display image'.

Other browsers like IE 6.028 and Firefox wait properly and display the right content!!!!Apart good work but please have a look into this, or two!
Thanks.
Anonymous
February 07, 2006
IE7's behaviour when you try to do FTP client things from within IE7 does seem more than a bit weird/buggy at present.

But you can (well, I had no problem) still do FTP tasks successfully by going to Windows Explorer, (see item in IE7's "File" Menu).

Cecil.
Anonymous
February 07, 2006
There is no support for alternate CSS ????
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
When is the true go live date for this product?
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
I think this comment is a very important issue. I was testing a couple of my sites which appeared to be broken with over-lapping content. Have spent ages trying to fix my sites I realised I was looking at my sites with one notch (10%) up on the zoom feature. Setting it back to default fixed my sites! Ok, I should have realised but two thoughts come to mind. Warn testers of this issue. What sort of design would best fit zooming in and out.
Anonymous
February 08, 2006
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Anonymous
February 09, 2006
I tested my pages in IE 7 beta 2 preview as the IE team requested and discovered that conditional comments don't work correctly in IE7 or IE6.

Please open this page in IE to see what I mean: http://rowanw.com/tests/conditional_comments_broke.htm

IE7 only displays half the data it should, while IE6 doesn't return anything. I have used the <comment> tag, because I've used it on a live page combined with conditional comments to make something work in IE6. That particular page doesn't render in IE7.

So have a look at my example page and tell me I made a mistake. I used two separate windows machines with diffierent versions of IE to test this.
Anonymous
February 12, 2006
<label><input></label> without the 'for' attribute is not working as it should:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.9.1

I fixed this with some few lines of JS code:
http://phpfi.com/101913
(Thus not working for labels added dynamically after the site was loaded.)
See it in action here:
http://design-noir.de/Bilder/

I bet you can do something similar, hardcoded into IE7.
Anonymous
February 14, 2006
The smoothing of the fonts in ie7 makes it unusable for me. I switched back to ie6. I hope this is not a permanent feature as I will not use ie7 if the fonts remain like this.
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