Windows Server 2008... some cert info online!
This info (mostly on upgrade or transition paths) was just added to Microsoft.com/learning: https://www.microsoft.com/learning/windowsserver2008/default.mspx and https://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/windowsserver2008/default.mspx. More on this in a bit.
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Anonymous
June 04, 2007
Thanks Trika, another nice resource for my upgrade exam :) -KenAnonymous
June 04, 2007
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June 04, 2007
Thanks Trika. Let's get prepared =)Anonymous
June 04, 2007
Oh quit whinning Dave, MCTS exams don't expire only the MCITP 'bundles of MCTS exams'. Resit one of the MCTS exams within the MCITP then your recertified for another 3 years. It's 1 extra exam every 3 years, big deal. Let's say two people with equal experience go up for a job, 1 just has their MCSE 2000, the other their MCSE 2000 & a MCP with WinXP Pro (70-270). Which one would get the job? The one who has put a bit of effort into their career to keep up with the times? Don't you think? If you know your stuff then you won't have to study for it too long, just sit it again and you could be out within an hour!Anonymous
June 04, 2007
it's one exam as soon as the next new thing comes out. Not when it's needed or when your organization migrates to it. You must upgrade or loose the certification. I know plenty of network people who just don't bother going back through the CCNP upgrade after the first few recert's. I expect the same will occur with MS with this policy. Again - if anyone but the marketing division was driving this then we'd be looking at cert's at least staying valid through the extended support period. I guess extended support means support devoid of certified admins.Anonymous
June 05, 2007
You'll have the MCTS exams passed. 1 exam for Server 2008, 1 exam for Exchange 2007, maybe 1 for SQL Server after 3 years on exams you already passed before, Wow, I'm overwelmed. It's unlikely that you'll do an upgrade more than once, and probably once the particular MCITP cert life ends you'll have it for life then. Must ask Trika that! As for "it's one exam as soon as the next new thing comes out" - Yeah, now you'll probably be able to take an upgrade Exchange exam in the future instead of resitting all the Exchange exams like before the MCTS/MCITP change. Must ask Trika that too! If so, you'll be sitting the same or less exams than before. If your friends had CCNP then they should have gone for the CCIE written that would have kept their CCNP upgraded. Simple. Certification is there to prove current knowledge (and to push you to a place where you do, if your not there already) not just a couple of letters after your name or JUST to get a job.Anonymous
June 05, 2007
I think it is ridiculous - MCSE is universally recognized by HR and hiring managers, and other non-IT people. Marketing has gone off the deep end. It's sad and pathetic. Who is going to recognize MCTCPIP and whatever else is flagellated from marketing this month. I have no problems with keeping skills updated, but why would you end the MCSE? Unbelievable! Jonathan Hughes MCSA, MCSE, MCTAnonymous
June 05, 2007
"I think it is ridiculous - MCSE is universally recognized by HR and hiring managers" Are these the same ones who require a MCSE for a helpdesk position? If they're smart enough I’m sure they can work it out, it's not that hard to understand. A name change and more logical categorization of skills = better in my opinion - obviously ;-) Check out the definition of 'Engineer' on Wikipedia, then look at 'Computer Engineering' it has nothing to do with the roles of an MCSE. IT people are NOT engineers; Professionals? Yes, Engineers? No. Is your mechanic classed as an engineer? No.Anonymous
June 05, 2007
Y-E-Me I don't think you get it. You will NOT have the TS that you have passed - it is expired, you can not use it to prove proficiency in that technology. Take a look at Trika's second link, scan down and you will find this: Q. Will the new certifications expire? A. The Technology Series certifications will expire soon after mainstream support for the version of the product ends. The Professional Series certifications will require recertification every three years from the date of issue. NOT extended support but mainstream support. I will keep up the certs because I teach them. But if/when I go back to working I have no intention of re-certifying in something which will be expired in a short time anyway. And I have no intention of studying for a platform which my company is not implementing for a couple of years. Lets apply this to the last few years. I certify in win2k3 server. 3 years are up this year, but my company doesn't plan moving to longhorn (sorry 2008, (I like "longhorn") for a couple of years (normal prudent behavior). My options are to upgrade soon to 2008 when I am not using it, recertify in something that will expire due to going out of mainstream support real soon, or let the cert lapse. I think I'd let it lapse. I don't think my attitude will be unusual.Anonymous
June 05, 2007
Y-E-Me actually - my mechanic does class himself as an engineer. So does the welder I had fix my kids swing yesterday.Anonymous
June 05, 2007
Dave, I totally agree with your statement. That's exactly how I feel about the new certificationsAnonymous
August 24, 2007
I totally agree, the 3 year recert requirement is simply not necessary. The MCSE was fairly well respected, I saw no need for any major changes. The MCPD cert is the same, very few shops will be suitable for people to maintain their cert on work experience, many use many non m$ tech and thoose that use m$ won't follow the upgrade path religiously, therefore creating the same expiry conumdrum, suddenly your certificated knowledge effectively dissappears in the eyes of recruiters. Recruiters are fairly dumb in general hence the use of obtaining certs in the first place. Why do i need to prove I know .Net every 3 years ? So a few API's change big deal. The basic language, design patterns, testing practices etc stay the same. I've seen this all before, I learned Win16, Win32, ATL/WTL, MFC, COM/DCOM/COM+/OLE/ActiveX/OLE DB/ADO and now .Net. Am I supposed to jump through exam hoops every time microsoft changes direction ?Anonymous
November 28, 2007
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