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RSS Features in IE 7 for XP and Windows Vista Beta 1

Hi! I’m Jane Kim, program manager for RSS in Internet Explorer. Now that Beta 1 of IE 7 for Windows XP and Windows Vista are released, I want to introduce to you the RSS features that are available in this release.

You may be asking what RSS is. It stands for Really Simple Syndication, and it’s a way for web site publishers to publish information from their sites. The publisher creates a specially-formatted file on their web site that contains the most recent items (news stories, blog posts, etc.) from the site. This regularly updated file is called a “feed.” With an RSS reader (or aggregator), a user can subscribe to many feeds and read the new entries all in one place, without having to visiting individual Web sites to find out what’s new.

IE 7 Beta 1 includes initial support for discovery and reading RSS feeds. In Beta 1, we’re calling them “web feeds.” We’re still actively exploring what is the right name to use for RSS feeds, so if you have any ideas or opinions, please post to comments.

Discovering RSS feeds

With previous versions of IE, it’s pretty tough to know when a web page has a web feed available. With IE 7 Beta 1, the header of the web page is scanned to see if the publisher has associated a web feed with that page. If a web feed is found, the web feed button on the toolbar lights up. In addition, the user can configure a sound to play when a feed is found, and the same of list of feeds associated with the page can be found under the Tools menu.

web feed button

Beta 1 of Windows Vista and IE 7 for XP currently supports the web feed formats RSS .9x, RSS 1.0, and RSS 2.0. As Sean mentioned, Atom 0.3 and Atom 1.0 support will come in a later release.

In a later post to the RSS Team blog, I’ll describe how publishers can set up their pages to make this button “light up.”

There are a few settings on the Content tab of the Internet Options control panel (accessible via Tools, Internet Options) that let you turn on and off feed discovery, and make a few tweaks to its behavior.

Basic viewing of a web feed

When you click on a link to a web feed in IE 6 today you’ll see a very colorful, but ultimately not very useful view of the feed. With IE 7, we detect when a page is really a web feed, and we display a view of the feed that’s much easier to read. You can even add the web feed as a favorite for quick access, right from the page.

Here’s a web feed before IE7:

Pre-IE7 Feed

Here’s IE 7 Beta 1:

IE7 Feed

That’s the quick tour through the RSS features of Beta 1. For this release, we were laying the groundwork for the additional features to come. There’ll be more in Beta 2, both in IE and with the RSS Platform we talked about at Gnomedex, so keep an eye on the RSS Team blog for updates.

- Jane

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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    we’re calling them “web feeds.” We’re still actively exploring what is the right name to use for RSS feeds, so if you have any ideas or opinions, please post to comments.
    -------

    What about eNews Feeds, sounds a bit more creative than web feed!

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I just clicked on the Feeds button for this very page. I chose RSS. It is displaying the ugly XML stuff, rather than the new formatted text. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Is it possible to create XSL stylesheets of our own?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    A really novel idea might be to call them RSS feeds, the way they have been called now for some time.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Just call them RSS Feeds. I mean, that is what you're doing throughout your entire blog post, after all.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    A really novel idea might be to call them RSS feeds, the way they have been called now for some time.
    ------
    Bad idea. As he said, they will be adding Atom support. Atom is a competitor to RSS. Imho, calling it RSS/Atom Feeds is just plain ugly.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    IMHO one of the most useful things in RSS is notification about new feed items. How do you implement this feature?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Something like "Live Feeds" or "Live Content Feeds" would be typical.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    How long before "Leveraged Really Simple Syndication" is thrust down our throats?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    They're going to include support for auto-discovery and pretty printing of RSS feeds when viewing the XML.Safari does this now and NewsMonster did this before Safari. I wish they would publish some innovative new features here and not rehash what all the players already implement.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Could you post more detailed information please? All the other aggregators do RSS discovery and pretty printing. Post something innovative :)

    http://www.feedblog.org/2005/08/rss_features_in.html

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I get the RSS feed delivered as XML too, on both this site and Channel 9 - unless I look at the BBC RSS feed first. I'm not quite sure where to report it "officially" though, there isn't any info on the MSDN Subscriber Download site (unless I'm being blind)

    As to the name, how about Channels? ;)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Jane,

    Does the current IE7 beta have support for the Simple List Extensions described at Gnomedex?

    Thanks,
    Charlie

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    How does IE7's "easier-to-read" view interpret publisher-defined xsl? Does it override IE7's rendering? Is it ignored?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I 'Third' Dave and Kevin: will xsl be supported? This is a vital function for future web progress and firefox is supporting xsl right now.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Sorry: "David" ;-)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Here's a thought:

    Store a Tree of Active Bookmarks (RSS feeds) in a window on the left (similar to how History looks).

    Mouse over elements within the tree (stories, etc), and have the resulting Title / Description appear on the main window.

    This way, it'd be really easy to peruse all the RSS feeds without having to click anything.

    Just a thought.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Are we going to get a newspaper view of RSS feeds?

    I.e. I want to take all of the subscribed RSS feeds and show them in date order (not grouped by Feed) at the beginning of the day. That way I can read it in the morning like a newspaper. There's a reason why newspapers are the way they are, and this is it. I fail to see the relivence of RSS if you're going to make people read them feed by feed. You might as well just use the syncrhonize function in IE 6 and just view all of the favourites that changed...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    The RSS Team at Microsoft provides a glimpse into the RSS features in IE7. In a nutshell (so far at least) it’s autodiscovery (a feature that Firefox currently has) and a more readable view of a web feed (vs. the...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I'm curious about two things:

    1) how are you going to present this to the end-user, really? The sentence above (start of post) makes sense to people who develop on the web or work with the web actively, but most people (ordinary web-users) still have no clue what the heck "RSS" is, or what a "feed" is. "RSS feed" is also rather odd to focus on, now that Atom 1.0 is a full specification and is MUCH nicer to work with than RSS. It's good that support for Atom will come, at least, but why give it the name of the feed type that is outdated and is likely to be dropped? Much better name (imho) would be "Subscription feeds" -- indicates what it does, what it's for, and still uses the correct term: feed.

    2) will IE7's feedview become a user-customizable feature? By web authors, too?

    --
    Faruk Ates
    http://www.kurafire.net/


    P.S. Nice job on the new look of the Blog, much less confusing with the comments, now. :-)

    P.P.S. your comment form input fields have black text specified, but no background color -- for me, it's black on black in the inputs. The textarea is fine, though...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Syndicated Content

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Tell me, have you actually implemented this in Beta 1 yet, or is it in a future update? I still see the raw unformatted page just like others have mentioned.

    Anyway, I much prefer Live Bookmarks.

    p.s. I just noticed the RSS feed for CNN works properly, but IEBlog doesn't.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Want to add more than just RSS? Add atom now!

    http://scaleovenstove.blogspot.com/2005/08/hacking-ie7-feed-discovery-more-than.html

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I love the look, feel, and functionality of IE 7. I think you ought to add this though. The ability to open a link, that is within another program (i.e. an Outlook email message), in a new tab in the same IE7 session rather than opening a whole new instance of IE7.

    Also all of us need to jump into this convo found at, http://forums.g4tv.com/messageview.cfm?catid=64&threadid=454007&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1 . With these uneducated morons, IE7 will never bloom.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    KISS..."RSS Feeds"

    Also, nice try with the blog makeover, but why waste half my widescreen(1440x900) laptop display with lines like 73-79 in your stylesheet

    #container {
    margin: 0px auto;
    text-align:left;
    padding: 0px;
    width: 760px;
    background-color: #333333;}

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Why dont you just call them live bookmarks, thats what firefox calls them, and you pretty much stole the rest of the features from firefox... so why not take the name for these to?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "Web feeds" sounds good, has a nice ring to it. Anything "Live" would be a Firefox knockoff, and as you mentioned you will be supporting other formats in addition to RSS so you wouldn't want to call it that . They do look cute and nicely designed in IE7, though since I use Bloglines as an aggregator it doesn't really matter much to me.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Uhhhh ... why not call them "RSS Feeds" or just "Feeds"? Resist the marketingspeak urge to rename something that's already been named. That the kind of nonsense that gave us Firewire, i.Link, and 1394. All it does is confuse consumers.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    This is/will be a nice addition to IE...
    But please make it simple for end-users to have feeds handled by their default aggregator, even if it's an application different than IE7...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Contrary to some rumors, IE 7 will not include any ad blocking technology.

    I think Microsoft Internet explore's team should let the pop-up blocker that is included in IE6 SP2 to the new version of Internet Explorer 7

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "Also, nice try with the blog makeover, but why waste half my widescreen(1440x900) laptop display with lines like 73-79 in your stylesheet "
    --Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:57 PM by Tom--

    Probably the same reason news papers and other print use columns ... You must be the only one that I know of that enjoys reading lines of text that are about 1foot long. Just a thought ;) But then again to each their own.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I want to send a feed to my external reader. Can I do that?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Please just use Web Feeds. It's fine and friendly for the web-illiterate.

    Secondly, please allow them to be added to the Links section so that they can be set as a toolbar item, and the feed titles will drop down like in Firefox.

    Thirdly, please allow for customizable updating of feeds, as in, refresh every 5 minutes, etc.

    Fourthly, Please cause the icon or favicon, as the case may be, for a given Feed to light up in the menu under Favorites, or on the Links toolbar when updated Feed titles are received.

    Thank you very much.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Looks like Microsoft might make this unnecessary -- starting from IE7 they're now styling RSS content automatically.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/08/02/446280.aspx

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I really appreciate that IE is finally getting an overhaul. I hope you'll continue work after this, of course, so that we get the whole "standards suite" at a later date: XML, XSL, SVG, XHTML, CSS, SMIL, RSS, Atom, etc. Now that would be fun web. ;-)

    You may want to look into making RSS-feeds more distinguished from page content, though, to help users who might stumble upon the feature accidentally.

    Nice site redesign. I think it's far better than the old design.

    The Firefox nightlies integrated similar functionality recently, by the way, basically integrating the Feedview extension.

    Keep it up! :-)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    If you are only supporting RSS feeds, then call them what they are, RSS feeds. Microsoft's desire to CONSTANTLY rename things is annoying at best. (Go ahead, just ask me about Avalon's renaming, just ASK me if think presentation foundation is better name than Avalon, I DARE YOU!)

    It was RSS long before MS got interested, and it will be RSS long after MS retasks the IE team and lets IE languish for another half decade or more. You can call it web feeds all you want, but you it won't help MS patent some absurd minor tweak to it.

    However, if you are going to suppose multiple syndication feed standards such as atom, then just call them what I, and any reasonable individual would already - syndication feeds.

    Please, stop trying to rename everything. Things already have names, and you insult everyone who invested blood sweat and tears into things when you blithely come along and rename it. Does you ask people their names and then tell them that the shall henceforth be named "bob" ?? No. MS is not a leader here, it is a follower, so please follow politely.

    As for the stunning 2 hours of work already invested into supporting RSS feeds already, very pretty. I think that a product like RSS Bandit is already outside the scope of the IE team's mandate, so perhaps you should just integrate RSS Bandit and be done with it.

    Ok, I'm grumpy today. Probably a headache coming on. Regardless, the core messsage holds true.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    'Web feed' sounds fine to me. Covers the essence of what it does.

    A 'web feed button on the toolbar lights up' but to be honest it could light up a bit more lively I think.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "web feeds" sounds good to me. I've always thought the various alternatives currently used (rss feed, atom feed, syndication feed, syndicated content, etc) are more than a little opaque and likely off-putting to the novice user.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Why not call them "Pulls" to distinguish them from the "push" technology of email and newsletters.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I agree with Xepol. Again you're a late comer to the syndication feed game so try not to further alienate the tech crowd and use the name that's almost standard.

    [rant]
    Your feed icon looks very similar to the icon used in Firefox just as your msn spaces icon looks similar to the Ubuntu Linux logo.

    see:
    http://people.warp.es/~jorge/blog/?p=38
    http://spaces.msn.com/members/spaceslogo/

    It's insulting when you do this.
    [/]

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    i just hope that i (and others) can add our own XSL "styles" for the web feed view ;)

    would also be neat to have one of those "slider" widgets to auto-resize the feeds length in the browser, much like Safari and the Feedview FF extension -- comes in handy when reading full text feeds, esp. when there's 10-20 in a feed...

    if i add a website to my Favorites, and it has an RSS feed, will there be an option to have it auto-saved/loaded with that bookmark?

    when i search for something in IE7, might be nice to have the option to search my subscribed webfeeds... very handy when try'n to find or research something on the fly, y'know?

    /just a few thoughts

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    2 things:
    1) If the RSS's XML document itself has an XSLT applied, IE 7 Beta 1 ignores it. I think that is bad. In fact it overrides behaviour available in IE 6 which simply treats it as an XML document.

    You should apply your own XSLT when there isn't one there already.

    I am referring to the xml-stylesheet prolog near the top of the XML document:

    <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="/xsl/rss.xsl"?>


    2) Name: syndication feeds or web feeds gives it a more generic name (IF you are going to support more than just RSS, e.g. Atom.)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "Web feeds" is too vague. It's like people who use "Internet" as a verb (e.g. "I'll Internet you some pictures"). We can say "e-mail" so why not call them what they are: RSS Feeds. I'm not opposed to eNews feeds or news feeds, as that captures a bit more of what they actually are.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I prefer "RSS Feeds" too - it's very confusing when Microsoft names features something different than what other products call it, and "Web Feeds" is really vague.

    But if you decide not to call it "RSS Feeds", how about calling the feature "Syndicated Feeds"? That's still close enough that people who know what RSS is can figure it out, and it preserves the meaning.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Can we please get RSS feeds in drop-down menus similar to Live Bookmarks in Firefox. Please...?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Personally, I'd like the IE team to take a look at pluck (www.pluck.com) that's pretty much how I'd like RSS/Atom implemented in IE. It allows me to view all my feeds easily, get notified of new entries, etc.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I prefer the name "Syndication Feeds" over the alternatives suggested. "RSS Feeds" is the standard right now, but won't be valid if/when Atom takes over. "Live Feeds" is Mozilla's term and you don't want to blatantly steal from Firefox any more than you are already. (plus it's a stupid term, IMHO) "Web Feeds" sounds good, but not every RSS/ATOM feed is going to be the syndicated content of a web page. People will start using feeds for more and more things, and tying them to the term "web" kinda limits what they really are.

    Is IE7 going to use it's special formating features whenever I view an XML file in RSS/ATOM format, or only when I click on the (web|rss|live|syndication) feeds button? Will I be able to switch between the multiple views. I don't want to be testing the RSS output of my script and have to keep viewing source to see my raw XML.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Jane Kim, Program Manager for RSS in Internet Explorer, made a really cool post at the IE Blog regarding...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Link: RSS Features in IE 7 for XP and Windows Vista Beta 1. Hi! I’m Jane Kim, program manager for RSS in Internet Explorer. Now that Beta 1 of IE 7 for Windows XP and Windows Vista are released, I

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    LIFT wrote:
    "Probably the same reason news papers and other print use columns ... "

    This is the web. It is viewed through a wide variety of devices...cellphones, blackberrys, TVs, and widescreen laptops. Fixed width is shortsighted.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Tom wrote:
    "This is the web. It is viewed through a wide variety of devices...cellphones, blackberrys, TVs, and widescreen laptops. Fixed width is shortsighted."

    Tom, I understand your point. You should keep in mind that if developed properly there shouldn't be any problems. For example using different style sheets for different devices/screen sizes. Just a thought.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    What about simply “newsfeed”?

    It’s an established name, describes the purpose passably, and is format-neutral.

    It would be nice if not every organization felt the need to invent yet another term…

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    IE7 security changes: Rob Franco of Microsoft provides guidance on some of the security work being done in IE7. The first beta, now in private release, adds additional constraints on some uses of URLs and browser scripts. Rob also describes...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I recently came across a post on Microsoft&amp;#8217;s official Internet Explorer weblog about how they&amp;#8217;re going to implement RSS feed support as Firefox has. Of course, they didn&amp;#8217;t include the last three words of that sentence, but if you check...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Jane Kim, program manager for RSS in Internet Explorer, has written a useful post detailing the new RSS features in IE7. A few comments from me... 1) Microsoft has decided to call RSS &quot;web feeds&quot;, at least for now. Jane...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
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    January 01, 2003
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    January 01, 2003
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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Why do you folks always insist on changing everything. More different names will simply add to under confusion. Please, please stay with the term RSS.

    (If you really want to, you could go with ActiveRSS or DirectRSS.)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "Web feeds" sounds good. Also, provide a way to import and export feeds in OPML format.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Why must Microsoft constantly dumb things down for their users? Why not take this as an opportunity to teach your users something instead of treating them like a bunch of mouth-breathing idiots who need little cartoon characters and cutesy names for everything?

    You're selling software, not soft drinks.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "We’re still actively exploring what is the right name to use for RSS feeds."

    Hows about "RSS feeds"?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    "You may be asking what RSS is."

    No, actually, I bet not a single one of your readers here was asking that!

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    PLEASE just call them 'RSS Feeds', like everyone else on the web does. Why create more confusion? I know you want it to be friendlier for newbies, but I think you would do them a disservice by introducing new terminology. Use tips and help text instead, like the "What is a web feed" item in your screenshot. Maybe there could be a notification the first time a feed is detected on a web page, allowing the user to get more information.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Further to my comment above, in order to be inclusive, I don't see a problem with calling them 'RSS and ATOM Feeds'. I prefer this to 'Syndication Feeds', because the terms 'RSS' and 'ATOM' are more commonly used elsewhere on the web. Again, there are plenty of opportunities and methods of explaining the terms to users who are unfamiliar with them.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Google News now has RSS feeds (finally!). It's great that all the big Internet companies now offer RSS feeds, but Google's move unfortunately signals a split in RSS branding amongst the big media and technology companies. Like Microsoft, Google isn't...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    To improve the readability of screenshots I would suggest to replace the jpeg format with png. Png does a much better job to represent text than jpeg and additionally has a smaller size then a jpeg with the same information.
    Just my 5 cent ;-)

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    RSS feeds are not particularly known by the general Internet Public.
    Plus the ones that use it, can use thir-party plug-ins to read feeds.
    Better would be that bookmarks- favorites are joined automatically with RSS feeds (with an option to enable-disable eg).

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    What about Site Feeds?

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Mike Torres spots a trend: Would anyone like a lesson in how FUD spreads in the blogosphere?&amp;nbsp; Start here, then go here, here, here, and then finally here.&amp;nbsp; When you are finished, email me a list of the people (with URLs) complaining they &amp;quot;don't like the name RSS and propose...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    People, forget about IE. Use Opera, it has RSS feeds since long time ago, and many more. That's really innovative browser!
    http://my.opera.com/pholie/affiliate/

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I think that Microsoft is ridiculous. RSS Feeds have been around a long time, and you guys are not the first people to implement them. You should stop being arrogant, and just call them RSS Feeds, instead of renaming something you didn't come up with in the first place. It is really annoying and obnoxious. You should only name things that you come up with yourselves!

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
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  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    On the attack:

    Apple loses iPod patent to Microsoft...
    Microsoft Leveraging iPod Patent?
    APPLE'S IPOD PATENT GAFFE
    Under fire:
    Playing name games
    RSS or web feeds, original article on IEBlog

    Much discussion going on about who invented what,

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    We’re still actively exploring what is the right name to use for RSS feeds, so if you have any ideas or opinions, please post to comments.

    relevant media

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    There's an interesting debate occurring right now about the future of RSS and its accompanying terminology.&amp;nbsp;...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    There's an interesting debate occurring right now about the future of RSS and its accompanying terminology. This has been set off by the announcement that IE 7 Beta 1 supports RSS feeds...

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    My wife could not figure out what RSS Feeds is. Web Feeds, Website Feeds or Site Feeds are easier to her.

    And dont listen to those zelots, they will criticize everything you do.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    In the past week, there's been a ton of conversations about what to call a syndication feed. This has focused on whether to call an RSS feed RSS, XML, feed or something else....

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    I was late to get on the bus this time and I still don't get whole things about "Web Feed" buzz, but, "RSS" name is always a source of troubles, especially when Dave Winer and his friend Robert Scoble would like to get in touch and want everything in their favorite shape. It is wise to avoid using "RSS" and choose other much easier-to-understand name.

  • Anonymous
    January 01, 2003
    Hey, I did my first podcast!
    Joe Stagner's DevRadio site&amp;nbsp;now has&amp;nbsp;a weekly technology news...

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    Back when Microsoft appeared to be clueless about RSS, I called on the software giant to come up with a desktop feed-reading client that was as easy to use as Outlook Express, its e-mail software. Microsoft eventually got the RSS...

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