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Announcing IE7+

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With the release of Windows Vista Beta 2, I want to announce that we will be naming the version of IE7 in Windows Vista “Internet Explorer 7+”. While all versions of IE7 are built from the same code base, there are some important differences in IE7+, most significantly the addition of Windows Vista-only features like Protected Mode, Parental Controls, and improved Network Diagnostics. These features take advantage of big changes in Windows Vista and weren’t practical to bring downlevel. The IE7+ naming gives us an easy way to refer to this version. (“The version of IE7 in Vista” doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily…)

These differences shouldn’t affect most web developers, but if you need to know specifically, you can refer to the OS field of the User-Agent string. As Eric noted previously, the User-Agent strings will have the info you need:

  • IE7+ running on Windows Vista: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)
  • IE7 running on Windows XP: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)

Beta 2 is available now for developers and IT professionals who subscribe to MSDN or TechNet, as well as members of the Technology Adoption Program (TAP) and the TechBeta program.  In the coming weeks, we’ll start the Windows Vista Customer Preview Program (CPP) for developers and IT professionals who aren’t part of one of those programs so they can get the code and begin their own testing.  We’ll open up the CPP to a broader group of technology enthusiasts who’ll get a build of the OS to begin testing the various consumer scenarios Windows Vista enables. 

The IE logo will also reflect this new naming.

Windows Internet Explorer 7+

There are no feature differences between IE7 and IE7+ beta 2 other than the ones I mentioned above; we have, however, fixed a bunch of bugs between the two releases. As always, I’d love to hear your feedback on this naming as well as the product. We’ll have more information on how to sign up for Windows Vista beta 2 with IE7+ shortly, but for now, you can download the IE7 beta here.

-- Tony

Comments

  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Why not IE7 Vista?
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    IE 7.1 , VIE 7..

    7+ just doesn't really do it for me...
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    C.p.l.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Not bad, the short style.  Vaguely reminds me of another company's rationale for a console's name...
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    @Xepol

    Using 7.1 can be confusing, since it implies that it's a newer version and that's not the case.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    I have a question guys. I recently downloaded IE7 and it is giving me a small bug on this site www.letsgotribe.com. The text on the comments page of the site now appears underlined. Do you guys know why it would do that or how I can fix it?
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Are you guys a little loopy? Did you eat too many donuts? Because it is a VERY BAD idea to introduce another name into IE7... Leave it as IE7 and you will not confuse customers! Remember! KISS!!!! You need to keep things simple, or you will wind up in a much worse position! Just sack this idea in "BAD IDEAS-DO NOT RESSURECT!!"
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Another possible point of confusion:  People often use "+" to refer to "this version and later," as in "This website feature requires IE6+, Firefox 1+, or Opera 7+."

    So "IE7+" could refer to either "IE7 in Vista" or "IE7 and later," depending on context.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Of course folks will need to switch to ther shorthand to describe needing a greater browser than 6.  So it could be >IE, or IE 6 or >.  Of course there's no stopping the marketing teams, they'll figure out how to use that character, too, and then stylistic shorthand will be useless in describing versions.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    BTW: maybe you could try dropping Mozilla from User-Agent string?

    IE/7.0 (Windows 6.0)

    Just add this as option for the brave - if that UA string starts popping-up in logs, developers will start taking note of it and eventually, maybe in 2020 you could finally use it as default :)

  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    No one has a solution to my problem? Why does the text appear underlined? I thought it could be because I have underline links set to hover (even though it is text, not a link) but that did not fix anything when I set it to Never.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    I fear the next Operating System with an Internet Explorer will encourage your marketing creatives to use "IE10++" or "IE10!" if the IE Dev Team does not communicate that quallifiers like "IE5+" and "IE5.5+" already have a meaning in the wild.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    PingBack from http://cdjaco.wordpress.com/2006/05/26/another-victory-for-microsofts-product-naming-team/
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Internet Explorer 7+
    I think is a good way of naming: short, simple and giving an idea that there's more on this version
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    A bit offtopic, but this link basically says what I feel when developing for IE 6:
    http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,125772,pg,3,00.asp#ie6

    Of course, you can always say "download IE7", but at the compnay that I worked for (huge company in germany) have windows 2000 and IE 6, so I guess i am stuck with this softwar for years to come...
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Since Protected Mode, Parental Controls, and improved Network Diagnostics etc. are Vista specific and not IE specific it should be just IE7 for Vista too.

    Volvo 454
    Volvo 454+ (same car but runs on autobahn too)
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    IE 7+? Seriously, you got to be kidding. It sounds ok though, for me I don't think it'll sound find. Why don't rename it as IE 7V for vista and IE 7XP for windows XP. It will definitely differentiate well between the two versions. And not simply add a + there.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    My 2 cents is for keeping the IE7 name.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Yeah it is a pretty poor name. IE Vista would be better. The 7 is then not needed. :) So IE 7 would always be on windows xp and IE Vista is of course only for Vista. Pretty darn simple.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    "+" means to be better.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    PingBack from http://hlb.yichi.org/blog/2006/05/27/113
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Very good. Congrats to IE Team.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Just call it IE7 Beta 2.1 to avoid some silly misunderstandings :)
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    How about just naming the Vista version of IE7 "IE7 Vista"? Short and simple.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    IE7+ is really a very bad name. As some noted, currently to most people this would mean "all versions of IE subsequent to IE7 and including IE7".

    Why not simply make it IE7 Vista? Or IE7 Vista Edition (like IE5 Macintosh Edition)?

    This way, when needed, everyone could simply refer to it as IE7/Vista (just like we refer to IE on Mac- IE5/Mac).

    We all know it is a marketing decision but believe me, IE7+ will surely bring a mass unneeded confusion. And you will also suffer from it.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    Aaargh! IE7+?

    Never noticed that the +-postfix means 'and later', like IE5+ means: 'IE5 and later'.

    So when IE8 is out, what will 'only IE7+' mean? Does it work with IE8 or not?

    For most people, IT is confusing enough. Adding more confusion is a stupid decision.

  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    If you ask me there's way too much shock and horror in these comments over a simple PLUS character. But I have to agree with some points - it could get confusing when referencing, say, "We support IE 6+". Some guy is bound to think "Well, I have IE 6, I know there's IE 7+, no, wait, I'm confused, is there an IE 6+? Or does he mean OVER?" that sort of thing. OK, it's common sense to us, but maybe not for the average joe.

    Maybe it would be better to go with a suggestion like "IE 7 Vista". Or, if that's too long (which it is really, as it references the OS when all you really wanted to talk about was the browser), make it shorter. How? I don't know. "7+" might just be the best that can be used here.
  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 26, 2006
    I think it's way to confusing. it confusing in the way for example IE5+ is used. It may also be confused with Windows Plus.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    It's a bad name.

    And then?

    IE8 in XP & IE8+ in Vista?

    Or IE7 is the final and very last one for XP...
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://macintosh.wordpress.com/2006/05/27/internet-explorer-7-plus/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Can't you say "IE7 in Vista" or is it too much difficult for your MS brains?

    IE7 in XP and IE7 in Vista!
    I can't see any difficulty.

    Add "in Vista" under the Internet Explorer 7 logo.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Yeah IE7 Vista then. :) Then IE8 Vista, etc.

    I think that is the way to go. The whole + thing will just cause confusion for non technicail people, which as we all know are most Windows users.

    So what about IE7 Longhorn too? Or is Longhorn the same as IE7 Vista?
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    This is mind-blowingly silly.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://techriot.org/tech/2006/05/27/microsoft-announces-ie-7/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    "Vista Edition" is by far the better tag, but it isn't visual, multi-lingual, nor will it fit in a logo without truncation.

    With so many technical minded people at Microsoft I question the "collect feedback part" regarding the new name. I'm sure the marketing staff are well aware of any issues and just don't care.

    I will be forced into using "7 and up", just like everyone else.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://adamcaudill.com/2006/05/27/internet-explorer-7/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    What about IE7.5 for Windows Vista Sounds alot better eh?
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.osx-e.com/news/windows/say_hello_to_ie7.html
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    This is exactly the same thinking that gets you into trouble every single time.

    IE7+ means IE7 or better.

    IE7 Vista means.. eh....

  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://stylegrind.com/announcing-ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    @Xepol

    I disagree ;-) lol...
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    I agree, the plus is needless. Why has the user interface suddenly turned into using non-native widgets, as opposed to the native Windows GUI ones?
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    I would love to see what everyone would have said if the name had been IE7 Vista-

    Joe:
    WHAT!? Why IE7 Vista?? Why not IE7+ !??? #$&*!

    Robert:
    I agree with Joe! What's with the Vista? Why not just use a simple + symbol!?

    Yeah guys, I'm a programmer, and I know it may cause confusion. But I don't think it will cause death and mass destruction; let it go, please. For my sake. Or the sake of bandwidth. Or someone's sake you care for. :P
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Lets fix the useragent accordingly please...

    This...
    "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"

    Should be this...
    MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; (Q312461; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"

    There is no such browser as "Mozilla". Beta names do not count as browser names either.

    Let's also see the + added to the 7.0 in the useragent so it will be easy to differentiate between what versions of IE7 have what share on the market please.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    oops ... looks like im not the only joe here ... shudve picked a better name lol (my bad)
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Vista に乗る IE7 は、"IE 7+"という名前になると発表したところ、「IE7 Vistaでいいんじゃないの？」という意見が殺到しているみたいです。
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    From the IEBlog: With the release of Windows Vista Beta 2, I want to announce that we will be naming the version of IE7 in Windows Vista "Internet Explorer 7+". While all versions of IE7 are built from the same...
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Ugh... ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE MICROSOFT DOESN'T ASK THE USERS OR DEVS BEFORE THEY FINALIZE SOMETHING.

    Could you at least have given us a heads-up before you did something like this.

    Eric and the other members of the IE Team are not going listen to us regarding this horrid decision.

    I leave this blog for one week and look at what happens.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://madman.einars.net/main/2006/05/27/ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.cnfile.net/?p=14
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    I think because IE5+ or IE6+ has already been used in the literature as "IE5 or above and IE6 or above" there will be quite a bit of confusion in using IE7+ for a specific version of IE and not for "IE7 or above". Then how should we say "IE7+ or above"? Do we say IE7++?!! Think about it. If I were to suggest a name I would say "IE7" or "IE7 Vista".
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    IE 7+? It is just a name anyway. To avoid confusion and dissatisfactions, I recommend IE Team or Microsoft to change the name.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.dotproject.org/2006/05/28/announcing-microsoft-ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Xepol said: "All the new vista only features could be put into XP IE, and many would be fairly easy to do."

    Do you even know what Protected Mode is?  Or how it's implemented?  It's based on some big changes introduced in the NT security model in Vista... read up on "mandatory integrity level" in the Windows SDK.  Would you propose that the IE team somehow try to back-port all the NT security architecure changes to XP?
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    LOL, looks like EricLaw beat me to it by a few minutes...
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    IE7 name change: MS staffer says it will be called "IE7+", or "Internet Explorer 7+". I guess they want us to refer to it in conversation like this: "Tested in >=IE7+". No idea if next version will be called "IE7++".
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.thinkwasabi.com/2006/05/28/internet-explorer-7-plus-ein/
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    I agree with Kelson and Will. 7+ implies version 7 and/or better, and you could just as well call it IE for Vista.

    Didn't you do something similar with Windows Media Player for Windows XP, even though it was version 8?
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    What's the point of asking us for feedback if you won't change the name?

    eh?

    I will still call IE7 for Vista exactly what it is, and IE7 for XP the same thing.

    [if gt ie7]
    <p>You are using IE7+</p>
    [/endif]
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Internet Explorer 7v
    Internet Explorer 7.v
    Internet Explorer 7 Vista
    Vista Internet Explorer 7

    7+ is like 7up. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    (I do feel bad for the Cadbury-Schweppes bottling company)

    Besides, the additions certainly do not warrant a "plus".

    Add some more CSS and XHTML support and then we can talk...
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    IE7xp
    IE7v
  • Anonymous
    May 27, 2006
    Whats wrong with just IE7V ?
    Does the job and makes to simple too :)
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    will there be a single download for IE7 / IE7+?
    If it's just the same binary/program then it doesn't make sense to have a split based on the name.

    If they are different binaries (then as you mentioned - the extra functionalities come from the OS) what will happen if I install IE7 (not IE7+) on Vista?
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://freemedia.realgage.com/microsoft-internet-explorer-7.html
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    so, we'll see microsoft in the court about trust issues again. huh?
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://browsing.ru/2006/05/28/internet-explorer-7/
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    Just call it IE7 ...

    There are many products whose features differ, depending on the OS version.

    To me "IE7+" means "Internet Explorer 7 and newer".

    Two thumbs down for this one.

    btw, what's with those silly PingBacks? Looks like you're just advertising your own blogs. Stop it, please.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    To all the comment posters, you clearly have a lack of understanding!!!

    When stating compatibility like "Firefox 1.5 or newer, Internet Explorer 7 or newer" then it doesn't matter if it is really "Firefox 1.5.2" or "Internet Explorer 7.02" or "IE 7+".  It is all the same.

    For developers: code for IE7 compatibility, and both "IE7 for WinXP" and "IE7+ for Vista" browsers will support it.

    For tech support: "What OS?" XP/Vista, "What Browser?" 7/7+  (same difference as Firefoxers saying "Deer Park").

    Jeez!
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    "For tech support: "What OS?" XP/Vista, "What Browser?" 7/7+  (same difference as Firefoxers saying "Deer Park")."

    This is pure ignorance...

    Deer Park was the name of the ALPHA builds for Firefox 1.0
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.windowsvistaweblog.com/2006/05/28/ie-in-vista-will-be-ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    "This is pure ignorance... Deer Park was the name of the ALPHA builds for Firefox 1.0"

    First, "Deer Park" is the codename for the current Firefox 1.5 milestone build cycle.

    Second, you've reinforced my point.  IE'ers are discussing semantics, while die-hard FF'ers seek more in a product version's labeling (internal, or otherwise).

    As I stated: build for IE7, and both OS'es will be supported.  NO biggie, not worth wasting a breath over.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    "will there be a single download for IE7 / IE7+?
    If it's just the same binary/program then it doesn't make sense to have a split based on the name.

    If they are different binaries (then as you mentioned - the extra functionalities come from the OS) what will happen if I install IE7 (not IE7+) on Vista?"

    IE7 (or should I now say, "IE7+", will already be installed on Vista.  You cannot download it separately; only plain IE7 can be downloaded separately.  Likewise, I'm sure it won't let you manually install plain IE7 on Vista.


    "(although I do question why the Vista-only features were applied at the kernel-level architecture)"

    Read Eric's comment again.  "Protected Mode relies on features all the way down to the kernel level" (emphasis mine).  The security changes are all throughout Vista, not just in the kernel.  Certainly such a huge change as the mandatory integrity level is going to require kernel level changes as well.

    "Aren't you guys making a single effort to isolate Internet Explorer from the OS?"

    Actually, IE has been isolated quite a bit--read some of my comments on other blog posts about the removal of IE/Shell integration.

    "The Trident engine for the OS should be SEPARATE from the Trident engine for the browser, only OS releases and service packs should update the OS engine."

    I'm not sure what this comment has to do with anything.  What are you suggesting, that there be two MSHTML.DLL's out there, one that is used exclusively by IEXPLORE.EXE and one that is used by everything else (Help, 3rd party apps)?  How would that be beneficial?
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    So those bugs fixed are another feature of IE7 and IE7 XP users won't have it?

    blehhh....just joking,i hope

    bugs are also fixed in IE7 for XP users:)?
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://vistablog.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/announcing-ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://nerdapproved.com/software/vista-exclusive-ie7/
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    I use safari and firefox, why IE?! :P
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    Um yeah what are the other bugs that are fixed in IE Vista?
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    I don't want to look like just another MS-hating loser, but someone brought up the very good point that the "+" sign is used to indicate "or later versions."

    Other than that, it makes sense... ignore the people trying to say that "for Vista" is somehow implicitly better.

    That said, "IE 7 Vista edition" or something to that effect would be a lot more clear, simply because in the real world, + is used to mean "or later."

    I'll stop rambling.

    Good luck with your upcoming releases.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    IE7+ の発表
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    Some techies may confuse IE7+ with "IE 7 and later", but average users aren't likely to be confused by that. It's a convention that Web developers, designers, and expert users are accustomed to, but I doubt that the shorthand has any meaning for the average user.

    The meaning of IE7+ for the average Windows users will be based on Microsoft's marketing, but IE7+ immediately conveys the idea that IE7+ is "better" than IE7. IE7 for Windows Vista doesn't do that. Given that, IE7+ is a good name.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    No Michelle given that, IE7+ is a bad name. Read some of the comments above. You will see that IE 7 and IE7+ have the same function sets and therefore IE7+ is not better than IE7. The other "new" functions are not for IE itself but in Windows as a few MS employees have so kindly pointed out. Such as Protected Mode...

    Thefore, IE7+ is a bad name since it implies that it is better than IE7 when in fact it is not. The other features again are from the OS, Vista in this case. So again that's why it should be IE7 XP and IE7 Vista.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    IE7 B2:
    there are no different Enable & Disable tab selection "Always switch to new tabs when they are created".
    tabs are always be active title bar unless press "Ctrl" when click hyperlink.
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://goorki.wordpress.com/2006/05/29/vista-deyince-akla-ie-7-gelir/
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.bizwiki.cn/teamblog/?p=72
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.bizwiki.cn/teamblog/?p=72
  • Anonymous
    May 28, 2006
    So, get ready for:

    "Windows Media Player 11+"

    and

    "Windows Live Messenger 8+"  

    :-p

    Doh!
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    bla bla bla... And where is this 5384.4 build for XP? You don't want to show customers that all major bugs are not fixed? You're so calm that it seems to me that you use opera.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    A Microsoft anunciou uma nova vers&#227;o do IE7, chamada IE7+. Essa &#233; a vers&#227;o do&amp;nbsp;Internet Explorer&amp;nbsp;que...
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    For the people who think possible confusion about the meaning of "IE7+" is not a big deal -- I respectfully disagree. The ambiguity of the name will cause friction in IT groups trying to deal with the changes. There is a huge population of IT workers who don't pay that much attention to Microsoft, much less instantly recognize whatever the latest distinction is.

    I can see now that for the next 5 or so years, I'm going to have to constantly explain whether IE7+ in any given instance refers to "IE 7 on Vista" or "IE 7 or higher".

    I've already put this URL and the description in an AutoText entry so I don't have to type it over and over again. Sigh.

    Ambiguity in technical terms is bad and should be avoided wherever possible.

    Sigh, again. The world will go on, but with just a bit more friction in it.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    For the people who think possible confusion about the meaning of "IE7+" is not a big deal -- I respectfully disagree. The ambiguity of the name will cause friction in IT groups trying to deal with the changes. There is a huge population of IT workers who don't pay that much attention to Microsoft, much less instantly recognize whatever the latest distinction is.

    I can see now that for the next 5 or so years, I'm going to have to constantly explain whether IE7+ in any given instance refers to "IE 7 on Vista" or "IE 7 or higher".

    I've already put this URL and the description in an AutoText entry so I don't have to type it over and over again. Sigh.

    Ambiguity in technical terms is bad and should be avoided wherever possible.

    Sigh, again. The world will go on, but with just a bit more friction in it.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    Marin Kliehm - re bug differences, I interpreted that to mean that previous beta releases of IE7 had bugs which are now fixed in the beta 2 release of IE7+ and will also be fixed in the next beta release of IE7. I expect that when IE7 and IE7+ are released they will be bug-for-bug compatible and the only differences will be that "+" features exist in IE7 on Vista and do not exist in IE7 on XP.

    At least I hope so....
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    PingBack from http://readmaniac.pbworks.net/2006/05/29/internet-explorer-per-vista-col-plus/
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    Ie 7 for vista is much nicer.

    I know they talked about this before the user agent string, why does it still say mozilla 4 yea that was how many years ago???
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.quickonlinetips.com/archives/2006/05/what-is-windows-vista-internet-explorer-7/
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    The naming would be better as the following:

    Windows XP: IE 7

    Windows Vista: IE 7.5

    Windows Vista SP1 or later: IE 8

    Wouldn't be a problem as long as there isn't an IE 8 for XP.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    I'd just like to say that I am using regular IE7 and it works like a charm. I love the tabs and the way the phishing filter works. Thanks guys!
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    to Tom Stack
    spell S  E  A  R  C  H     T  H  I  S    P  a  G  E
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    @iName

    The differences between the Vista and XP versions in no way warrant even a 7.1/7.0 namng convention, let along 7.5.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    There is one thing which worries me slightly, due to the bug fixes: is it possible to target IE7 XP only, or Vista only, with conditional comments?
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    ...unless, of course, the bugfixes are only non-rendering?
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    yawn
    Who cares?  I don't care either way about the "IE7+" name.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    stupid
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    silly.  just plain silly.  please fire the people in charge of naming this product.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.powergeek.com.ar/2006/05/29/248/
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    I think IE Vista edition sounds better and more logical to the  end user
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    IE7....
    Another Microsoft CR (customer relationship) campaign, huh?
    All end-users are now becoming   genie-pigs!!
    Why?
    Why Microsoft cannot give us a trouble-free software?
    Shame on you.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    I agree.  IE7 without the +.  + as you know by now means current version + all higher versions.  If you use 'plus', as you have in the past, it may eliminate the confusion.

    Use:
    IE7 plus

  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    Allan Rasmussen, re: the "bug fixes": I'd say that Dufusdan was right in his interpretation of the sentence "we have, however, fixed a bunch of bugs between the two releases."  The "releases" that that sentence is referring to, is the releases of IE7Beta2 for XP, and the IE7+ that is part of Vista Beta2.  It's not referring to the final versions; it is referring to the fact that the IE team has fixed bugs between the time that IE7Beta2XP was released, and last week when Vista Beta2 was released.

    Since the two versions are built out of the same code base, when the final versions of each are produced, the same bug fixes will be in both.  There will be no rendering differences and no need to target one version over another.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.elgeek.com/2006/05/30/internet-explorer-cambia-de-nombre-a-partir-de-vista/
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    I agree: IE7+ is a stupid, confusing name. Go for IE7 Vista instead.
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    @PatriotB: Ah, missed that comment, just browsed them quickly and did a search for CCs. Thanks for repeating it. I hope you're right...
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    When I enter my member centre on plusnet and try to access the varies pages all I see are blank pages only the help section opens but then does not go anywhere into member only pages
    My ISP says uninstall IE7+ I have done that and it goes back to normal access
    I also find it a pain trying to locate the organize sector for my favorites
    Help
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    Microsoft va a lanzar distintas versiones de IE7 para XP y Vista. La versi&#243;n para Vista (llamada Internet Explorer 7+) ser&#225; igual que la de XP pero con ciertos a&#241;adidos, como por ejemplo un modo protegido, control paterno y un...
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.dexxie.com/2006/05/ie7-for-vista.html
  • Anonymous
    May 29, 2006
    To show a difference between the new version of Internet Explorer for XP and the one for Vista, the latter...
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.thila.ropage.com/index.php/2006/05/30/internet-explorer-7-for-vista/
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    to state that there will be no 'operational' differences between ie7 and ie7+ is foolhardy to say the least.

    you'd expect no differences between ie6 on win2000 and XP, but they are there...

    ...lets wait for ie7+ on XP and ie7++ on Vista - then see who's confused!
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    Announcing IE7+ - Microsoft has named the version of Internet Explorer 7 (IE7) in Windows Vista &quot;Internet Explorer 7+&quot; (IE7+) in tandem with the release of Windows Vista Beta 2. IE7+ is built on the same code base as IE7 but also includes Protected
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    I'm sorry, but I have to agree with the others in that this doesn't sound like a very good solution. No, "Vista for IE7" doesn't roll of the tongue as easily, but the important thing here is to be clear about what we're talking about, right? Not what's most easily said in words?

    The most important aspect of why this may be bad to me is that IE 7+ would normally mean "IE 7 and later". This notation is used everywhere on the web already.

    A "+" isn't part of a normal product branding style, and will likely confuse enough to the ease of saying it won't be worth it too much.

    I don't quite understand what the problem with saying "IE7 for Vista" is? Obviously, MS have no problems naming products like "Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite Edition" anyway. Granted, this is limited to the IT professional segment only, but home users had no problems with e.g "Windows XP Home". That's of comparative "complexity".

    The difference here is that "Home" tells it's for home use, "+" doesn't tell a thing.
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    PingBack from http://www.pestaola.gr/2006/05/30/internet-explorer-7-plus/
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    There is one problem with calling it IE7 for Vista or IE7 Vista: it will be included with Longhorn Server as well which won't be branded Vista.  So maybe something like IE7v would work.
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    Great interface~ IE7 Rocks!
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    Why not just call it IE 7, forget about which version people are using. The users won't care, and certainly won't know. To them it will just be Internet Explorer, they won't even use the number 7.

    Just keep the a distinction between the two versions for programmers/web developers. Send it in Crash reports etc.,
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    "The fact (as pointed out previously) that the plus version has extra code in it for stuff that runs on vista only means that we web developers need another another virtual/physical machine to test our code. We've been getting used to this for years, but it is going to be really annoying."

    This is the whole point - the Vista version does contain additional 'Vista only' functionality, but its nothing to do with the rendering (so you won't need to run this on a VM). IE7 and IE7+ are IDENTICAL in terms of rendering engine.

    This is why the '+' is being used... it is for minor, under the hood stuff - not rendering issues (which would warrant a x.x diffrentiation).
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    to: www.umpcstyle.com

    The plus pack? You mean that over priced rubbish that I've never seen anyone own, buy or use?

    The only people who will care about whether thet are using IE7 or IE7 plus are self-named "Power Users", and they'll be using Windows Vista anyway. To nearly everyone else on this planet that uses a computer and isn't a geek, IE7 will be just "the picture I click on to browse the web. They aren't going to give two hoots about the name or the "benefits" of IE7+
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    Totally Agree, IE7+ as a name is a bad idea.

    IE7 Vista Edition
    IE7 XP

    sounds very simple and straightforward, unless you can run IE7 and IE7+ on Vista at the same time

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    PingBack from http://deluxe.net.nz/?p=22
  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2006
    it was... & still more7+ .... :)
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    Tony,

    When you said "we have fixed a bunch of bugs"--that can be interpreted as including under-the-hood CSS/DOM bug fixes, although it's not clear you meant it that way.

    Would you please clarify? Will CSS/DOM support will be exactly the same in IE 7 and IE 7+? Thanks
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    So... if I understand this right...

    IE7+ refers to:
    IE7/Vista
    IE7/Longhorn Server

    IE7 refers to:
    IE7/XP
    IE7/Windows 2003 Server

    ?
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    "Another possible point of confusion:  People often use "+" to refer to "this version and later," as in "This website feature requires IE6+, Firefox 1+, or Opera 7+."

    So "IE7+" could refer to either "IE7 in Vista" or "IE7 and later," depending on context."
    - Kelson

    I agree with this 100%.  That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the name.  I don't have a problem with IE7 having a different name for Vista.  But please, think of something less confusing than IE7+, even if it is longer.  "IE7 Vista" would be fine.  Or "IE7 Cool", or "IE7c" ("c" for crunk).  Use your imaginations. =)

    With respect,
    Steve
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    This is insane. Call it IE7 and be done with it.
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    What moronic idea. I'd like to know who gave the approval to that, and what the thought process was. Hopefully this can be steered back in the right direction.  

    IE7+ will ALWAYS mean "compatible with Internet Explorer 7 and later versions".  Or is that what IE7++ should mean?
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    Well... if it doesn't work I don't care how it's called.
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    This is kinda like naming the product, "IE7?"

    chat dialog:
    IT guy: "Is it IE7 or IE7?"
    customer: "Umm... yes."
    IT guy: "No, is it IE7 or IE7 'question mark'"
    customer: "I'm not following you."
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    Isn't the fact that the "+" MIGHT be confusing enough to reconsider calling it something else? I think naming it by the operating system is the way to go. The average computer user could care less about latest version updates and nice sounding names, so just go with what will be the most user-friendly. Did I really just post on this?    
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    Use Firefox instead.
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    @John: "Will CSS/DOM support will be exactly the same in IE 7 and IE 7+?"

    Yes.
  • Anonymous
    May 31, 2006
    Feed these new names to marketing...
    IE7 XP = PIX7E (Pixie)
    IE7/Vista = V7SE-Tea (Vice-Tea)
  • Anonymous
    June 01, 2006
    The authors of IE suspect that there will be no more versions beyond 7.0, and thus notation "IE 7+" will not cause confusion.
  • Anonymous
    June 01, 2006
    rch wrote:
    "The authors of IE suspect that there will be no more versions beyond 7.0"

    That's wwhat they said about 6.0
  • Anonymous
    June 02, 2006
    A good idea in general methinks.

    Although I have to admit when I read the title and hadn't yet started reading the main post, I had already assumed that this was somehow referring to future (ie. post-7.0) versions of IE...

    It is a valid point that support people (or whoever) could just as easily ask "What version of IE" and then "What OS?" although you'd be surprised how many people don't know what an operating system is, not least what version they're running.

    I asked someone once what version of windows they were running.

    "Er, Windows 97 I think..." was the response ;)

    So yeah, nice one, IE7+ is quite a good idea.
  • Anonymous
    June 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    June 02, 2006
    IMO, there's nothing wrong with adding a + to the Vista version of IE7. I don't think it will confuse customers, as it indicates there's something more to the Vista version of IE7--and there is. If you need to know which version of IE7 they are using just ask them if they're using Vista. How hard is that? Furthermore, if a customer doesn't know whether or not they're using Vista they probably won't know which version of IE they are using either.
  • Anonymous
    June 02, 2006
    It's going to be hard to search for, like "C#" turned out to be.
    It's "just a designation," but the designation already meant something else.
    Yeah, "this website supports Netscape 1.7+ and Internet Explorer 7+ and higher" looks a little goofy, but there's already a new logo, so what can you do.
  • Anonymous
    June 03, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    June 03, 2006
    I dont see the big deal about the name of it. The plus, to me, just means here's a few extras that've been added. Though I dont see why they couldnt call it IE8 then go when Vista becomes available go up again. Almost everyone I know loves a new update and they dont know a lot about computing. Keep changing the number on the end and folks'll think they're getting the scoop before their friends!
  • Anonymous
    June 03, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    June 03, 2006
  • = more or better = bad idea

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    tech support>>> duaa...

    was this answer helpfull